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Offline Deadly in a Shadow

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"Uh, Sir we can hear the explosion."
"No you can't, there is no air in space. Sound can't travel through a vacuum!"

 
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So sad. :(

 

Offline Deadly in a Shadow

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So sad. :(
I feel sorry for you :nono:

Despite the sadness in this thread I want to say welcome to the....

Girder cells from te modular construction kit!



Oh and say hello to the bomb passing Evander.



Uh, the Hesat and the Stheno may be featured in as well. The alliance is in dire need of some really cool up to date bombers.

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Works now! Hell yeah!
« Last Edit: August 06, 2011, 04:41:27 pm by Deadly in a Shadow »
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"Uh, Sir we can hear the explosion."
"No you can't, there is no air in space. Sound can't travel through a vacuum!"

 

Offline crizza

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Re: (WIP) BP: The Balance of Power
The Stheno is a hell of a bomber...give its turrets something like the Uriel has...and BAM!

 

Offline Sonzai

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Looks awesome! :D

I'd be happy to beta-test or spell-check as well, if you need any other help.  (Although I'll be very busy these next couple of weeks)

Although, just looking at these great pictures I can already feel my framerate dropping on this low-graphics-power computer. :(

 

Offline bigchunk1

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I was thinking that something like this would be inevitable, the BP modpack is well done and fun to work with....
This will require the instalation of WIH won't it? Build on it with .tbms and all that? I recommend it.
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Offline Deadly in a Shadow

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I was thinking that something like this would be inevitable, the BP modpack is well done and fun to work with....
This will require the instalation of WIH won't it? Build on it with .tbms and all that? I recommend it.
Of course. BoP has it's own folder and it requires the installation of WiH because the UEF is your major enemy. Some missions will take place in Sol. And the campaign makes use of tbms.
"Ka-BOOOOOOOOM!!!!"
"Uh, Sir we can hear the explosion."
"No you can't, there is no air in space. Sound can't travel through a vacuum!"

 

Offline Deadly in a Shadow

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Re: (WIP) BP: The Balance of Power
Time to show little progress.

In terms of weaponry, there was one thing that never made sense to me (while I know there must be some reason): The blob turrets used by the Anemoi-class and the Capella-era stuff. They were exactly the same in BP: AoA and WiH.
Well, not anymore.
The Blobbies have now increased velocity and decreased fire wait. Sounds cool? Anyone here modified the blobs in FS1? They can turn every mission without shields into a horror. Because you have shields, the blobs have decreased shield factor and a little FOF.
BTW, the vasudan turrets and the vishnan turrets were modified as well.
And because pics make every "preview" fancy.



Zoddy turrets!



There's even a new turret weapon being introduced. The "MT 1 Stardust Turret Cannon", the predecessor of the pulse weaponry being used by the GTVA. Well, it's a new turret weapon for the Greystoke-ships. Those weapons are inspired from the turret cannons from "Procyon Insurgency", which featured modified turrets as well.



« Last Edit: August 08, 2011, 07:41:58 am by Deadly in a Shadow »
"Ka-BOOOOOOOOM!!!!"
"Uh, Sir we can hear the explosion."
"No you can't, there is no air in space. Sound can't travel through a vacuum!"

 

Offline MatthTheGeek

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Re: (WIP) BP: The Balance of Power
In terms of weaponry, there was one thing that never made sense to me (while I know there must be some reason): The blob turrets used by the Anemoi-class and the Capella-era stuff. They were exactly the same in BP: AoA and WiH.
Well, not anymore.
Improved AI -> Improved turret RoF. Was always enough for me to make the blobs more useful. IMHO, in a campaign with beams and flak, if you need to improve your blobs more than that, you're doing it wrong.
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Offline Deadly in a Shadow

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In terms of weaponry, there was one thing that never made sense to me (while I know there must be some reason): The blob turrets used by the Anemoi-class and the Capella-era stuff. They were exactly the same in BP: AoA and WiH.
Well, not anymore.
Improved AI -> Improved turret RoF. Was always enough for me to make the blobs more useful. IMHO, in a campaign with beams and flak, if you need to improve your blobs more than that, you're doing it wrong.
The ships in the pictures are using the BP2-Captain AI and the ROF should be, in this case even more faster but it wasn't faster.

The blobs aren't more dangerous due to the decreased shield factor. They are exactly the same bomb-destroyer as they were in FS1, FS2 and so on.
« Last Edit: August 08, 2011, 08:40:22 am by Deadly in a Shadow »
"Ka-BOOOOOOOOM!!!!"
"Uh, Sir we can hear the explosion."
"No you can't, there is no air in space. Sound can't travel through a vacuum!"

 

Offline MatthTheGeek

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And ? That's what make them dangerous, by ensuring the safety of the warship they are mounted on, so that warship can keep dealing damage.
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Offline Deadly in a Shadow

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Re: (WIP) BP: The Balance of Power
And ? That's what make them dangerous, by ensuring the safety of the warship they are mounted on, so that warship can keep dealing damage.
Blob turrets can't parry pulse weaponry (which is still more dangerous against capships than even the modified blobs), other blobs and beams, of course.

Otherwise, the mission must be FREDded in such a way that  some fighters snipe the turrets while the bombers attack then.

« Last Edit: August 08, 2011, 09:06:53 am by Deadly in a Shadow »
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"No you can't, there is no air in space. Sound can't travel through a vacuum!"

 

Offline MatthTheGeek

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Re: (WIP) BP: The Balance of Power
Pulse weaponry has a FoV, which make them suck against bombs. Blobs are still the best way to go, aside from AAAf, which are better employed against fighters than against bombs.
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666maslo666: Releasing a finished product is not a good thing! It is a modern fad.

SpardaSon21: it seems like you exist in a permanent state of half-joking misanthropy

Axem: when you put it like that, i sound like an insane person

bigchunk1: it's not retarded it's american!
bigchunk1: ...

batwota: steele's maneuvering for the coup de gras
MatthTheGeek: you mispelled grâce
Awaesaar: grace
batwota: oh right :P
Darius: ah!
Darius: yes, i like that
MatthTheGeek: the way you just spelled it it means fat
Awaesaar: +accent I forgot how to keyboard
MatthTheGeek: or grease
Darius: the killing fat!
Axem: jabba does the coup de gras
MatthTheGeek: XD
Axem: bring me solo and a cookie

 

Offline Deadly in a Shadow

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Pulse weaponry has a FoV, which make them suck against bombs. Blobs are still the best way to go, aside from AAAf, which are better employed against fighters than against bombs.
That is entirely true.
But let's see this from the logically pov. If you know that shivans are good at bombing runs, you would improve the weaponry so they fend off bombs better, right?
Gameplaywise, it could be very difficult to do a bombing run while being mass-blobbed, but I think that capship weaponry should be considered to be dangerous.
"Ka-BOOOOOOOOM!!!!"
"Uh, Sir we can hear the explosion."
"No you can't, there is no air in space. Sound can't travel through a vacuum!"

 

Offline MatthTheGeek

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Re: (WIP) BP: The Balance of Power
But if it's technically so easy to improve that weaponry, why haven't they done it between the Great War and Capella ? There is either a technological limitation or cost limitation involved, and either case, the best strategy will always be to have a wing of fighter take care of the bomber business, while the capships handle the capship business. The anti-fighter weaponry of capital ships has always been only the second line of defence against bombers. If you want to invest money in improving your capital ship defences, you're gonna invest it in fighters. Or in completely new capship designs, which will get rid of the technological limitation.
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Axem: when you put it like that, i sound like an insane person

bigchunk1: it's not retarded it's american!
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batwota: steele's maneuvering for the coup de gras
MatthTheGeek: you mispelled grâce
Awaesaar: grace
batwota: oh right :P
Darius: ah!
Darius: yes, i like that
MatthTheGeek: the way you just spelled it it means fat
Awaesaar: +accent I forgot how to keyboard
MatthTheGeek: or grease
Darius: the killing fat!
Axem: jabba does the coup de gras
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Axem: bring me solo and a cookie

 

Offline Deadly in a Shadow

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But if it's technically so easy to improve that weaponry, why haven't they done it between the Great War and Capella ? There is either a technological limitation or cost limitation involved, and either case, the best strategy will always be to have a wing of fighter take care of the bomber business, while the capships handle the capship business. The anti-fighter weaponry of capital ships has always been only the second line of defence against bombers. If you want to invest money in improving your capital ship defences, you're gonna invest it in fighters. Or in completely new capship designs, which will get rid of the technological limitation.
Well, that's a good point. I will see and test and do some balancing (if the blobs are really THAT dangerous).
"Ka-BOOOOOOOOM!!!!"
"Uh, Sir we can hear the explosion."
"No you can't, there is no air in space. Sound can't travel through a vacuum!"

 

Offline MatthTheGeek

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Re: (WIP) BP: The Balance of Power
Also, keep in mind that in the BP universe, Capella-era capital ships can be retrofitted with light pulse weaponry (been confirmed that we will see more of that in the future). The Deimoses in Blade Itself use STerPulses instead of their TerHuges, and one Deimos in Delenda Est has a few TerTur replaced with STerPulses as well. It's probably a better alternative cost-wise to retrofit with next-generation light weaponry than to work on improving old turret designs.

This might be only an option for ships deployed on the front lines though.
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666maslo666: Releasing a finished product is not a good thing! It is a modern fad.

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Axem: when you put it like that, i sound like an insane person

bigchunk1: it's not retarded it's american!
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batwota: steele's maneuvering for the coup de gras
MatthTheGeek: you mispelled grâce
Awaesaar: grace
batwota: oh right :P
Darius: ah!
Darius: yes, i like that
MatthTheGeek: the way you just spelled it it means fat
Awaesaar: +accent I forgot how to keyboard
MatthTheGeek: or grease
Darius: the killing fat!
Axem: jabba does the coup de gras
MatthTheGeek: XD
Axem: bring me solo and a cookie

 

Offline Darius

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Aren't you describing the Terran Turret 2?

 

Offline Deadly in a Shadow

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Aren't you describing the Terran Turret 2?
No. I described tuned up Terran Turrets.
"Ka-BOOOOOOOOM!!!!"
"Uh, Sir we can hear the explosion."
"No you can't, there is no air in space. Sound can't travel through a vacuum!"