[Unknown Target]

With all these conflicts and disasters, might it be prudent to have a general HLP check-in thread?

Good luck and stay safe to those in England. I was just there last summer, crazy. :\

[starbug]

Not really, the usual procedure is to bring in riot trained police, the problem is that there just not enough of them in the metropolitan area so they are having to draft them in from other forces which as usual take a couple of days to do the paperwork.

We've also got the problem that the goverment reduced the number of police officers in the cuts. My Brother and Father are down near London and last time i spoke to them they were ok, but i am still worried!

Bring out the Territorial army (TA's), Army, Watercannons!! like they have done in ireland! But for some reason MPs are refusing this while more innocent people suffer! Its a disgrace! To day i am ashmed to be British with these riots going on.

[headdie]

Not really, the usual procedure is to bring in riot trained police, the problem is that there just not enough of them in the metropolitan area so they are having to draft them in from other forces which as usual take a couple of days to do the paperwork.

We've also got the problem that the goverment reduced the number of police officers in the cuts. My Brother and Father are down near London and last time i spoke to them they were ok, but i am still worried!

Bring out the Territorial army (TA's), Army, Watercannons!! like they have done in ireland! But for some reason MPs are refusing this while more innocent people suffer! Its a disgrace! To day i am ashmed to be British with these riots going on.

The riots are shamefull but i'm not sure if water cannons are the right step and therein lies the problem, the troubles were a different generation and attitudes has changed quite drastically in that time so would it have the right effect or would it cause new outrage reinforcing the ranks of the rioters with a new legitimate protest

[Unknown Target]

Indeed, the last thing the authority needs is this turning into a legitimate protest, instead of just a bunch of angry people venting their frustrations. It seems like it should subside in time but the trick is not to escalate things even more, I think.

EDIT: From this news article:
http://news.yahoo.com/great-riot-london-stakes-david-cameron-193006536.html

"What is it that leads vast numbers of the country's youth to feel so disengaged and alienated from society and their own communities that they resort to violence, even allegedly recreational violence, on such a devastating scale? "

[Scotty]

With all these conflicts and disasters, might it be prudent to have a general HLP check-in thread?

We already have one.  It's currently titled "W-H-I-Y-L It's NEVER over!!!!"

[Colonol Dekker]

I live right in Lewisham, I've lived through worse. I'm a survivor

[headdie]

good spot on that link UT

[Nuke]

if looting ever broke out in my vicinity i think i would join the looters. but im not british so what do i know.

[Grizzly]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14458424

[Flipside]

Yeah, shows if nothing else that we've cut back a little too far on education budgets if that's the kind of minds that we're pushing out nowadays

[qazwsx]

Apparently last night was much less intense, probably due to the increase police prescence, 16,000 officers in the capital alone. That, or it's just burnt itself out.

My favourite quote about the riots came from a waterstones employee: "We'll stay open, if they steal some books they might learn something"

[headdie]

Apparently last night was much less intense, probably due to the increase police prescence, 16,000 officers in the capital alone. That, or it's just burnt itself out.

My favourite quote about the riots came from a waterstones employee: "We'll stay open, if they steal some books they might learn something"

This also might have had something to do with it

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/fed-residents-form-anti-looter-patrols-062625198.html

[JCDNWarrior]

Apparently last night was much less intense, probably due to the increase police prescence, 16,000 officers in the capital alone. That, or it's just burnt itself out.

My favourite quote about the riots came from a waterstones employee: "We'll stay open, if they steal some books they might learn something"

This also might have had something to do with it

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/fed-residents-form-anti-looter-patrols-062625198.html

Thanks for the link, it shows the police (and government in general) cannot and will not protect you in times of need. Firefighters been doing great though, they've saved a lot of people from their burning houses the past days. Also a good effort of citizens, realizing they're the ones that need to protect their communities. Good wake up call there, hope it bonds people together for a long time to come.

[Herra Tohtori]

A yellow-coded curfew is now in effect. Any unauthorized personnel will be subject to arrest. This is for your protection.

Or: Would a curfew help to calm down the situation?

Thoughts?

[Lucika]

Not really, the usual procedure is to bring in riot trained police, the problem is that there just not enough of them in the metropolitan area so they are having to draft them in from other forces which as usual take a couple of days to do the paperwork.

We've also got the problem that the goverment reduced the number of police officers in the cuts. My Brother and Father are down near London and last time i spoke to them they were ok, but i am still worried!

Bring out the Territorial army (TA's), Army, Watercannons!! like they have done in ireland! But for some reason MPs are refusing this while more innocent people suffer! Its a disgrace! To day i am ashmed to be British with these riots going on.

I just find it a tad bit ironic that it took hours for the Hungarian police to deploy rubber bullets and water cannons to a protest that was nothing compared to the current events in the UK.
More here for those who are interested.

[Grizzly]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKa4T8F66m0&feature=feedu

[Rodo]

Ahh, we had one of those a few years back.
When riots turn into shoplifting, people are no longer rioting because of the original reason.

Sanity will return... eventually.

[Snail]

Funny how the week after I leave London stuff happens.

[headdie]

Funny how the week after I leave London stuff happens.

well go back and restore order then

[Snail]

Funny how the week after I leave London stuff happens.

well go back and restore order then

...I don't think adding a snail into the mess will make anything better.