Author Topic: OT - The Asus P4S333  (Read 3100 times)

0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline Top Gun

  • 23
OT - The Asus P4S333
I was thinking of buying this, I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with it or knows anyone who has.



Here are the Specs:


    *  CPU:
          * Supports Intel Pentium 4 in 478 socket
          * Up to 2.4 GHz
    * Chipset:
          * SiS 645 and SiS 650 chipset
    * Memory:
          * DDR-DIMM type PC1600, PC2100 or PC2700
          * 3 DDR-DIMM sockets
          * Supports up to 3 GB memory (2GB with PC2700)
          * Does not support ECC and REG memory
    * IDE:
          * 2 x IDE socketes that support UDMA 33/ 66 / 100
          * Support up to 4 disks
    * Connections:
          * 1 AGP 4x port
          * 6 PCI ports
          * 1 ACR port
          * 1 parallel port
          * 2 serial ports
          * 2 USB ports

 


If anyone could suggest a better one with simmilar soecs that it would be appreciated.

 

Offline Redfang

  • 28
It might be pretty good... at least the specs are. But I don't know about that one.
 
But Pentium 4 has quite a lot better performance with RDRAM. :nod:

  

Offline CP5670

  • Dr. Evil
  • Global Moderator
  • 212
The specifications look nice and I personally have had a good experience with ASUS (I have their A7M266-E model), although I am too sure how well the P4 performs with DDR.

 

Offline Top Gun

  • 23
Is RDRAM worth it though. I've heard that the extra performance that RDRAM gives isn't really worth it for the cost.

 

Offline Thorn

  • Drunk on the east coast.
  • 210
  • What is this? I don't even...
I've had nothing but bad experience with Asus...

 

Offline Ryx

  • Twilight Falling
  • 29
  • Away in RL land. Back later.
P4 = Expensive. :blah:


Found this pic of my mobo, which is working out pretty great.
Intel C2D E6850|4Gb RAM|Abit IP35 PRO|ATI X1900 XT

 

Offline CP5670

  • Dr. Evil
  • Global Moderator
  • 212
Yeah, I would recommend going for the Athlon as it is a much better deal for the price; the P4 is indeed slightly faster, but by an insignificant amount considering that it costs twice as much.

Quote
Is RDRAM worth it though. I've heard that the extra performance that RDRAM gives isn't really worth it for the cost.


That's what they say from the specifications and theoretical output, but then again, the Pentium 4 has not been tested extensively with DDR, as the processor and Intel's reference chipset was originally designed to work only with RAMBUS. The DDR compatibility is fairly new, so I would wait for some internet articles regarding its performacne and stability.

 
I agree with redfang, the P4 does kinda suck with DDR ram. Anway, if you want decent performance/price, stick with the athlon with ddr ram. I mean, with the amount of money you can save you can get a much better video card anyway... I mean, what's the point of gettin a superhot cpu if you got a **** video card... The frame rate is determined mostly by the video card... The CPU and FSB just set the limit to the frames the video card can achieve.
--The measure of a man's character is what he would do if he knew he never would be found out

 

Offline Bobboau

  • Just a MODern kinda guy
    Just MODerately cool
    And MODest too
  • 213
P4
Athlon

don't they have anything faster yet, I mean, Athlon is like 3 years old now, isn't it
Bobboau, bringing you products that work... in theory
learn to use PCS
creator of the ProXimus Procedural Texture and Effect Generator
My latest build of PCS2, get it while it's hot!
PCS 2.0.3


DEUTERONOMY 22:11
Thou shalt not wear a garment of diverse sorts, [as] of woollen and linen together

 

Offline Ryx

  • Twilight Falling
  • 29
  • Away in RL land. Back later.
original athlon - slot a
thunderbird  - socket a <1.4GHz
palomino  - socket a < 1.73 GHz? XP line
Thoroughbred - socket a < ? GHz

something along those lines. Anyway Hammer's due Q4, iirc
Intel C2D E6850|4Gb RAM|Abit IP35 PRO|ATI X1900 XT

 

Offline Razor

  • 210
OK since we are talking about mother boards, can someone tell me what is the processor with the highest frequency taht can fit into my mother board. The one that I have is ASUS P5A.
Please help me out.
Thanks in advance

 

Offline Ryx

  • Twilight Falling
  • 29
  • Away in RL land. Back later.
Look here. k6-2 350 seems to be the top for this board. Just looked briefly, though.
Intel C2D E6850|4Gb RAM|Abit IP35 PRO|ATI X1900 XT

 

Offline Razor

  • 210
But that's impossible. Right now, I have an AMD K6-3 450MHz on my board. There must be something better that I can stick into it. :(

 

Offline Ryx

  • Twilight Falling
  • 29
  • Away in RL land. Back later.
Quote
Originally posted by Razor
But that's impossible. Right now, I have an AMD K6-3 450MHz on my board. There must be something better that I can stick into it. :(

start saving for a new one.

Upgrade mobo, cpu, ram and most likely case (or power supply).  not too expensive. The rest can be upgraded along the way with little difficulty (except for financial ones). Less work to replace a gfx card than replacing the mobo.
« Last Edit: May 28, 2002, 05:07:16 am by 263 »
Intel C2D E6850|4Gb RAM|Abit IP35 PRO|ATI X1900 XT

 

Offline Razor

  • 210
Well, what could I get for something arround 500-600 euros. I need a new mother board, CPU and some extra RAM memory. I currently have 128 MB. My old Ge-force 256 32MB DDR should do the job for 1 year or so.

 

Offline wEvil

  • The Other Good Renderer
  • 28
    • http://www.andymelville.net
Why the hell are you even considering a Pentium 4?

Inferior product
Inferior Fabrication
Inferior Price
Inferior Performance

a P4 requires DRDram, it won't work nearly as well on SDRAM (DDR or otherwise).  So if you want a P4 you'll be stuck with rambus.

If I were you i'd wait a few months for Athlon64/Hammer/Opteron to hit us - just whatever you do don't get a P4.

The thoughourbred/Barton core should go up to 2.5ghz i think, then Hammer takes over.  they're both .13u chips.

CPS - the P4 is not faster under any circumstances unless you run specifically compiled SSE2 code AND you have a 'Prestonia' P4.  Wilamette and Northwood cores both suck as 256k of L2 cache isn't enough to feed such a low IPC/high clock chip.

DRDRAM (rambus) does perform better than DDR.  Under certain curcumstances.  Since its' a serial-linked memory type and not a row/column type the latency is huge.  This means for 3D, gaming and anything else that relies on "asychronous" memory access, DDR is better.

DRDRAM takes the lead in streaming tests (think of a DAT tape or something like that) because it has a massive bandwidth and doesnt need to waste cycles for the memory controller to seek for the data it needs.

They both have price parity now (more or less) but just think of this - Rambus are one of the nastiest companies you will EVER meet.  Do you really want to support what they try to ram down your throat?
The technology might be fairly "innocent" but the way they tried to push it into the market (by stealing everyone elses' ideas and then making them pay royalties on them) more than anything else has convinced me never to buy anything remotely linked to them.  ever.
« Last Edit: May 28, 2002, 09:32:03 am by 118 »

 

Offline Kazashi

  • 26
The Pentium 4 has been shown to perform very well with DDR RAM, beginning with VIA's 'illegitemate' efforts and the P4X266 chipset. Now there are plenty of P4+DDR solutions available, combinations which don't suck as some people would have you believe. However Rambus still provides greater memory bandwidth than current DDR solutions (especially with the release of PC1066 RDRAM) though at the expense of having higher latency. To put it simply, the P4 loves lots of bandwidth, which DDR is now able to provide.

Comments about the P4 being slower than an Athlon in everything are somewhat exaggerated. Take Lightwave for example, the performance boost whilst using a P3/P4 system is quite substantual (and before someone mentions SSE, remember that Athlons also have SSE instructions). For professional work i.e. not games the P4 is quite a good performer.

Now for the downsides. P4's are somewhat more expensive than equivalent AMD solutions, however there have been times where P4's have retailed cheaper than Athlons Mhz-Mhz. Their lack of performance Mhz-Mhz compared to other CPU's is legendary, partly due to a hyper-extended (not official terminology) pipeline which hasn't worked as well as in theory

With that P5A, chances are that it will support up to K6/II/III-550, which is still a far cry from a decent system nowadays. Turn it into a server of some description and go buy a Duron+DDR system
Blatant advertising #1: Keep the Blood flowing!

Blatant advertising #2: Visit TheDDRZone now!

 

Offline wEvil

  • The Other Good Renderer
  • 28
    • http://www.andymelville.net
the P4 is not able to maintain parity with an Athlon for rendering, lightwave isn't something I care much about but other benchmarks like PRman, Mental Ray and Jig show unless the P4 has a very large L2 cache there's no way it can keep up with the Athlons' big, hairy FPU :p

 

Offline CP5670

  • Dr. Evil
  • Global Moderator
  • 212
Personally, the FPU is all I care about, as that is what is used by programs like Mathematica. ;) (and in games, both processors perform about the same)

 

Offline Redfang

  • 28
Yeah, some AXP 1700+ or whatever might be good choice, but P4 (Northwood) isn't bad anymore. And wEvil, NW has 512kb L2 cache.
 
Also, there was price cut today, and RDRAM isn't that much more expensive anymore. But I don't know, read some reviews. :nod:
 
Both are good.