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Offline deathfun

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Re: Here's something to get you chuckling...
Why do I feel partially responsible for the discussion at hand? Then again, I probably just served more as a catalyst since this was more than likely inevitable it seems
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Re: Here's something to get you chuckling...
Why do I feel partially responsible for the discussion at hand? Then again, I probably just served more as a catalyst since this was more than likely inevitable it seems

You had nothing to do with it, this is every single gendisc thread

 

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Re: Here's something to get you chuckling...
Knowledge is always relative, and inferences are always warranted. He's saying what he says to avoid discrimination accusations, nothing more.

 

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Re: Here's something to get you chuckling...
The plot thickens.  But again, I ask myself, if the display was really that egregious, why is Tim Horton's apologizing and not simply making the facts known?

Maybe they don't know the facts themselves. It's quite possible that the pastor sees what he thinks is a heterosexual couple going a little bit too far in a family establishment and complains. By the time the manager or whoever has come out (a couple of minutes later IIRC), the couple have realised that perhaps they're going a little too far in public and have stopped or at least toned it down. Manager sees nothing more than a couple kissing but points out that there have been complaints about them. Couple go off assuming that it was because they are lesbians and make a complaint.

So now Horton's are stuck in the middle of a he says, she says argument. Can't blame their PR department for acting exactly the same way they did.
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Re: Here's something to get you chuckling...
Knowledge is always relative, and inferences are always warranted. He's saying what he says to avoid discrimination accusations, nothing more.

A somewhat judgmental and biased stance to take for someone who continually goes on about how judgmental and biased religious people are.

An objective, rational position would be to reserve judgment in favour of factual evidence - but you don't seem capable of doing that when a topic concerning religion comes up.

The plot thickens.  But again, I ask myself, if the display was really that egregious, why is Tim Horton's apologizing and not simply making the facts known?

Maybe they don't know the facts themselves. It's quite possible that the pastor sees what he thinks is a heterosexual couple going a little bit too far in a family establishment and complains. By the time the manager or whoever has come out (a couple of minutes later IIRC), the couple have realised that perhaps they're going a little too far in public and have stopped or at least toned it down. Manager sees nothing more than a couple kissing but points out that there have been complaints about them. Couple go off assuming that it was because they are lesbians and make a complaint.

So now Horton's are stuck in the middle of a he says, she says argument. Can't blame their PR department for acting exactly the same way they did.

Legitimate points, all - but most people would have more respect for a company that say "here are the facts as we know them," followed by "here's our response."  Now it just sounds like they don't want to admit fault, but they're going to make a not-quite-genuine apology to cover their bases.  Which is funny, because Tim Horton's doesn't serve waffles :P
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Re: Here's something to get you chuckling...
Knowledge is always relative, and inferences are always warranted. He's saying what he says to avoid discrimination accusations, nothing more.

A somewhat judgmental and biased stance to take for someone who continually goes on about how judgmental and biased religious people are.

Yeah, just don't notice the small difference of my "judgement" being a snark anonymous comment in an unknown internet forum VS an actual testimony of the aledged discriminator that is in the middle of an ignorant riddled ****storm, and place me in equivalent terms. Why not? Everything makes sense in the netz.

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An objective, rational position would be to reserve judgment in favour of factual evidence - but you don't seem capable of doing that when a topic concerning religion comes up.

Why care? I won't ever know the guy. It won't make any difference whatsoever. I'm full of prejudices but at least I'm conscious about them. And most of the times those inferences I make are just bloody right. Take what you will: his reply smells like backdropping into safe PC places before any sueing could occur. And if may make the perfect sense, the law in the states is sometimes frightening.

 

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Re: Here's something to get you chuckling...
It's a media quote, not testimony, and the incident occurred in Ontario (a Canadian province), not the United States.

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Re: Here's something to get you chuckling...
What's your stance on Tim Horton's donuts MP-Ryan? I'm curious
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Offline Luis Dias

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Re: Here's something to get you chuckling...
It's a media quote, not testimony, and the incident occurred in Ontario (a Canadian province), not the United States.

No **** sherlock. Im really amazed with your impressive ability to read. Not so much at conversation skills...

  

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Re: Here's something to get you chuckling...
Debate the subject, not the person, or this thread gets locked.

 
Re: Here's something to get you chuckling...
Back on topic, it gets better still:

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/life/Group+protest+lesbians+banishment+from+Hortons/5609452/story.html

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Eric Revie, an assistant pastor at the Glad Tidings Community Church in Blenheim, 90 kilometres east of Windsor, was the one who expressed discomfort to the assistant manager at the Tim Hortons that day.

In a statement emailed to The Star, Revie said he did not ask the manager to tell the couple to leave, but rather did not want his two sons, aged nine and three, to witness what he called a "visibly lewd" public display of affection.

Revie added that his request had nothing to do with the fact that the couple was gay.

"At the time I thought it was a guy-girl couple. I was unaware it was two girls," Revie said.

Revie said the Facebook page was circulating "lies" and that he does not "preach hatred" nor does he "hate those with alternative lifestyles."

No word on the alleged prayer circle.

EDIT:  Oddly enough, it appears the National Post (Canada's equivalent of Fox News or the Daily Mail) seems to have more details, though considering the source I'm tempted to take it with a large chunk of rock salt...

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Rev. Revie said he was out with a youth group and his four children, the youngest three years old, at a Tim Hortons last month when he spotted the couple on a bench outside with their tongues locked together and their hands down each other’s pants.

“They were straddling each other … and really making out,” he said. He asked a store manager to tell the couple to “tone it down” in front of his children.

“I don’t have anything against the gay community as a pastor. I don’t hate them,” he said. “My concern was I was in a public place, Tim Hortons, with my family and my children and if they had turned around they would have seen this nearly pornographic image.”

The dispute boiled over after the couple contacted Michelle Boyce, head of Alphabet Community Centre, a London, Ont., gay and transgendered group, to help them file a complaint with the Ontario Human Rights Commission.

Ms. Boyce’s account of the couple’s story on Facebook — including a description of how the church group held a 15-person prayer vigil for the women in the Tim Hortons parking lot that Rev. Revie said was actually just parents standing around chatting — elicited a huge outcry of support from as far away as California and prompted local organizers to plan a protest at the coffee shop on Thursday that had garnered more than 500 online supporters by Monday afternoon.

The plot thickens.  But again, I ask myself, if the display was really that egregious, why is Tim Horton's apologizing and not simply making the facts known?

Probably because the gay couple has been becoming the victim of a lot more (media) attention then they should have - something which the preacher probably did not intend. There have been quite a lot of misunderstandings already, apperently.

EDITed for better wording.

 

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Re: Here's something to get you chuckling...
Legitimate points, all - but most people would have more respect for a company that say "here are the facts as we know them," followed by "here's our response."

Yes, but that also theoretically makes them liable for libel/slander if they're wrong, or simply a PR disaster if somebody blows it. Saying nothing regarding the facts is an infinitely safer course of action and there's really nothing at stake here worth taking risks over as far as the company's concerned.
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Re: Here's something to get you chuckling...
It's a media quote, not testimony, and the incident occurred in Ontario (a Canadian province), not the United States.

No **** sherlock. Im really amazed with your impressive ability to read. Not so much at conversation skills...

You're the one that called it testimony and brought up lawsuits in the context of the US, not me.  If you knew both were incorrect, why did you even bring them up?  So far I've at least managed to be relevant to the discussion at hand.
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Offline Luis Dias

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Re: Here's something to get you chuckling...
Ok, I misused a word. Didn't think it would be misread like that. I brought up the lawsuit issue because it usually hangs in the balance on these events. Better safe than sorry, so I think the man thought, "and let's just have a PC speech here where I can go no wrong". I wouldn't even count out the possibility of him having a conversation with his own lawyer on exactly which words he should use.

 

Offline Polpolion

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Re: Here's something to get you chuckling...
Ok, I misused a word. Didn't think it would be misread like that.

I am sorry but this really made me laugh.