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Offline FlamingCobra

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My Stupid Questions Thread
There's no point in me making a new topic every time I have another retarded question. So I will put them all here.

  • Since servers aren't compatible with PC operating systems (and thus must use server OS's), then does that mean supercomputers are also incompatible with PC operating systems?
  • If white holes exist, then what happens when a white hole collides with a black hole?
  • Since black holes have infinite density, would white holes have negatively infinite density?
  • If humans made conditions on a planet favorable for life as we know it (i.e. added atmosphere, ocean, and temperatures habitable for humans, but no flora or fauna), and then we sent a very simple life form (such as e. coli) to the planet, would that life form evolve & diversify very slowly over millions of years, or would we see an event like the Cambrian explosion since no ecological niches are being occupied?
  • Did they figure out for sure whether neutrinos can move faster than the speed of light?
  • Since atoms of matter are made of protons and neutrons (which are made of quarks) surrounded by an electron cloud, and atoms of antimatter are made of antiprotons and antineutrons (which are made of antiquarks) surrounded by a positron cloud, and electrons, positrons, quarks, and neutrinos are all elementary particles, would it be possible to have an atom composed of a nucleus of positrons and neutrinos surrounded by a cloud of other elementary particles, such as quarks or bosons?
  • Does generation II and III matter always decay to generation I matter?
  • Are there any stable "exotic atoms"?
  • Is there more evidence for cosmological constant or quintessence?
  • How many classes will I have to take to understand general relativity, special relativity, casualty, cosmological constant, quintessence, and string theory?
  • What's this "gauge" crap?

That's all for now.
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Offline Polpolion

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and here are my stupid responses

1) servers ARE compatible with PC operating systems
2) your guess is as good as mine.
3) black holes do not have infinite densities
4) depends on what you mean by "life as we know it." earth conditions during the formation of life were very different from how they are now.
5) afaik they measured the distance wrong
6) wut
7) dunno
8) my guess is no

I'd do more research but I have a discrete math exam in nine minutes.

 

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solitary quarks violate confinement and you'll only find them in very high energy states

 

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9). "Dark energy" seems to behave like one.
10). Plenty.  :)

 

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As intriguing as string theory sounds (from my extremely limited knowledge of it), I don't like the idea of black holes being "fuzzballs."

 

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solitary quarks violate confinement and you'll only find them in very high energy states


Yeah basically what happens is that quarks are linked to other quarks via gluons, the intermediary particles of strong interaction (also known as strong nuclear force or colour force).

Gluons have an interesting property that the further you stretch the quarks from each other, the bigger the force pulling the quarks back together gets.

This means that as you pull quarks apart from their particle, you are essentially adding a LOT of energy into the system.

At some point, yes, the gluon attachement will break - but that's because the energy you have fed into the system pulling quarks apart actually materializes as new quarks, resulting in formation of quark-antiquark pair. These newly minted quarks will then form new joint quark particles with the original nearby quarks, rather than the quarks floating around alone after you've pulled them apart.


This results in interesting things such as conservation of baryon number, and it also appears likely that all particles formed of quarks have an electric charge in multipliers of e rather than fractional charges like the quarks.


So, that covers why individual quarks do not appear.



As to the other part of question:

Bosons are not same kind of particles as fermions.

Standard model of particle physics consists of two families of particles: Fermions and bosons.

What we know as matter is built of fermions. Fermions are named after Enrico Fermi, and they obey the Fermi–Dirac statistics in quantum mechanics (these names are not a coincidence, in case you haven't guessed).

Fermions are further divided into baryons and leptons.

Baryons are particles that consist of quarks, and they are further still divided into hadrons and mesons. Hadrons consist of three quarks, while mesons are quark-antiquark pairs.

Quarks are particles characterized by a property called "colour charge". There are three different colours, typically called Red, Green and Blue (and, if you want to be pedantic, you could name the antiquark properties Cyan, Magenta and Yellow!).

There are six (known) types of quarks, usually named up, down, charm, strange, top and bottom (don't ask, these are not supposed to be properties that make sense per ce, they are just named so to cause least amount of confusion when handling these particles in non-mathematical format like natural language).

All joint quark particles have neutral colour charge (also known as white). To achieve this, all hadrons consist of three differently coloured quarks, much like a white pixel on your display. Mesons are also white, but they have a quark of a colour, and antiquark of corresponding anticolour. For example, proton consists of up, up and down quarks, and these would be of red, green and blue variety to make the proton have neutral colour charge.

Meson could have a red up-quark, and a cyan up-antiquark.

As you might guess, having matter and antimatter in a single particle does not exactly encourage stability, and thus all mesons are unstable to varying degrees. Their decaying products depend on the charge of the meson, and vary between leptons and bosons.


Leptons are small elementary particles. The three most known are electron, myon and tau. Neutrons also belong to the lepton family; as symmetry would suggest, each lepton has its own neutrino and antineutrino types (you may have read of electron neutrino, muon neutrino and tau neutrino in some publication). Basically, muon and tau can be thought of as heavier cousins of electrons - they have largely similar characteristics except they are not stable, have higher mass and that's about what I remember of them straight out of my head.



The other main family of particles in standard model are the aforementioned bosons. They are so named after Satyendra Nath Bose, and they obey Bose-Einstein statistics.

Like with Fermions, the names are not a coincidence. :p


However, instead of being "particles" in a classical sense (which you should forget about anyway when dealing with anything with quantum or relativity in its name), they act as intermediary particles for the interactive forces of nature. Bosons are much more varied than fermions, but at the same time more restricted in their role in the universe.

For example, photon is the boson of electromagnetic interaction. It transmits electromagnetic forces, and freely traveling photons can be detected as electromagnetic radiation. There is also a whole slew of phenomena that are basically explained by virtual photons. Photons are massless and travel at... speed of light. :lol:


For the other interactions of nature, we have:

Weak interaction (aka weak nuclear force) which has three bosons; W+-boson, W--boson, and Z-boson. These bosons have mass, and they have a curious property that neutrinos are only able to interact via W- or Z-bosons. Other forces (aside from gravity) seem to not affect them.

Strong interaction (aka strong nuclear force or colour force) which is mediated by a particle called gluon. This can be thought of as a blob-like entity that stretches when you pull it apart, and much like with a spring, has a harmonic force that increases as you deflect it from the balance point (this causes the earlier described phenomenon with taking quarks apart from reach other; like a spring, its energy just increases as you stretch it more and more.

In a way you could consider the quark-antiquark formation as analogoous to the gluon spring "breaking". But instead of "breaking" in conventional sense, the energy loaded into it simply converts into different form...


The last major interaction of the nature is by far the most mysterious. Gravity.

So far, we do not have a theory of quantum gravity that would work with precision equal to General Relativity. In fact, quantum gravity theories seem to break apart at very small small distances, causing infinite forces, or predicting much higher gravitational interactions than we can see actually happening. It is a mystery currently why gravity is so weak at very small distances, yet insanely strong force at a distance. In cosmological perspective, gravity could just as well be the ONLY force that affects the macroscopic universe in the galactic scale.

Well, that's an exaggeration I guess. You need to take account the other forces when you're simulating the early universe. But pretty soon the distances between objects in universe became so big that nuclear forces and electromagnetic forces were hopelessly stomped by gravity... and the mysterious cosmological force that accelerates the expansion of universe, of course.

The hypothetic intermediary particle of gravity is called, quite unimaginatively, graviton.


As you might have guessed, bosons don't really exist alone either*, much less form some sort of exotic atoms with other particles. Unless you want to consider quark-gluon particles such.


EDIT: Gauge boson is another often used term for bosons that transmit interactions.




...and after reading this you should remember, in immortal words of Mr. Python: "It's only a model."


By that I mean that you shouldn't be thinking of these particles as some sort of really small objects. Elementary particles in standard model are dimensionless, and there's no way of saying if quantum mechanics and standard model of particle set actually accurately describe what is going on, BUT they do produce very, very, very, very accurate predictions.



If you want to get more into what a particle is, and how bosons apply forces between particles, and the more exotic implications of particle physics (such as multidimensional string theories) you'll have to find another person to get answers from. I suggest going to library and searching for some books by Stephen Hawking, Michio Kaku, Richard Feynman and possibly Carl Sagan (for cosmological context of all this stuff).



Also, I wouldn't call these particular ones "stupid questions". Ignorant perhaps, but stupid would be to stay ignorant.



*obviously bosons can exist alone, but they are always an intermediary of interaction between particles. For example, photon is always emitted by charged particle, and absorbed by charged particle at some point... probably. There is a possibility that a photon could just travel endlessly without ever meeting a charged particle to pass its energy to... but that's when the universe undergoes thermal death and the average energy density of universe drops, and finally all matter degenerates into black holes, which slowly radiate themselves into nothingness via Hawking radiation... and then there will only be an endless space full of photons that never interact with anything...

...ever.
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Re: My Stupid Questions Thread
  • most servers are perfectly compatible with standard windows, and most PCs can have a server OS installed, the issue is that in these situations you would not have an OS optimized for the hardware, for instance desktop OSes would have a lot of extra crap running that a server would not need (like a GUI) and a server OD would not have drivers for graphics cards and the like. similarly a highly specalised computer would need a highly specialized OS so supercomputers usualy have their OSs written to them, or at least heavily modified.
  • grey hole
  • I think you need to define what a 'white hole' is let alone 'negative density'
  • something like that would die, you would need to send something that can survive off of what ever inorganic mater is there already, like an archaea. to answer your question, it would probably follow the same boom and bust cycle seen on earth.
  • no, but it does not look good
  • no, positrons are leptons and therefore not effected by the strong force (and therefore cannot form nuclei). you could conceivably have an electron-positron pairing, or an nuclius - anti-nucleus pairing, that orbited each other, but the would likely be extremely unstable and prone to mutually annihilating.
  • Dun'know
  • if they were stable we wouldn't call them exotic would we?
  • what, aside from the increasing red shift?
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ITT we learn how crazy the Standard Model is

 

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i only have one question

1: are you on meth?
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*obviously bosons can exist alone, but they are always an intermediary of interaction between particles. For example, photon is always emitted by charged particle, and absorbed by charged particle at some point... probably. There is a possibility that a photon could just travel endlessly without ever meeting a charged particle to pass its energy to... but that's when the universe undergoes thermal death and the average energy density of universe drops, and finally all matter degenerates into black holes, which slowly radiate themselves into nothingness via Hawking radiation... and then there will only be an endless space full of photons that never interact with anything...

...ever.

But if all matter fell into a black hole isn't there a chance that since it would be a singularity, another big bang could occur? And thus the universe would be an oscillating universe?

What happens when there is a knot in cosmic string?

@ Nuke: No.

PS: I rather like the idea that gravity is the one force that has any meaningful influence in the macroscopic world.

 

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PS: I rather like the idea that gravity is the one force that has any meaningful influence in the macroscopic world.

gravity is super ****ing weak and only really matters at the megahugenormous scale

 
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How smalldid the tweezers have to be to stretch the quarks apart to demonstrate gluons and their force and effect?

And no one even touched on the last question lol.
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I rather like the idea that gravity is the one force that has any meaningful influence in the macroscopic world.


Cosmological scale only, man.

I'm talking like... interstellar, or galactic scale. Stars in a galaxy. Galactic clusters. Superclusters. Universe as a whole.

In these scales, gravity is the only meaningful factor out of the four known basic interactions.

In the scale of solar systems, electromagnetic force is obviously important as a means to transmit energy from star to planets. And for all matter locally, all forces are in action.


Maybe I worded it poorly. What I meant it, is that at extreme distances, the only viable way for objects to interact is gravity. Other forces are obviously meaningful in macroscopic (as in, non-quantum) physics, and get even more important in quantum scale while importance of gravity is reduced due to extremely short periods of time that stuff tends to happen in.
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  • If white holes exist, then what happens when a white hole collides with a black hole?

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So. . . uh . . .

What's a white hole?

 

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    • If humans made conditions on a planet favorable for life as we know it (i.e. added atmosphere, ocean, and temperatures habitable for humans, but no flora or fauna), and then we sent a very simple life form (such as e. coli) to the planet, would that life form evolve & diversify very slowly over millions of years, or would we see an event like the Cambrian explosion since no ecological niches are being occupied?

    Neither, likely.  E. coli isn't that "simple" and is already suited to particular niches.  And it's a least partially dependent on an otherwise functioning ecosystem.

    Life on Earth functions in a massively complex and interrelated system.  You can't take a solitary organism from here, deposit it somewhere without those systems, and expect that it will miraculously start an evolutionary process.  Chances are that if you dumped just a single species on another planet without any sort of pre-existing ecosystem, it would die off within a few generations.

    Bobb's partially right that an Archaea would probably have the best chances of survival, but most organisms depend either directly or indirectly on the presence of functioning carbon and nitrogen cycles (including Archaea).

    Just because an organism is considered relatively simple doesn't mean less-evolved (common mistake, though) - E. coli have had just as many billions of years of evolution as multi-cellular eukaryotes (e.g humans).
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    TL;DR: White holes are really god damn weird things.



    To quote the best and most accurate source of information in the Internets:

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    A white hole, in general relativity, is a hypothetical region of spacetime which cannot be entered from the outside, but from which matter and light may escape. In this sense it is the reverse of a black hole, which can be entered from the outside, but from which nothing, including light, may escape. (However, it is theoretically possible for a traveler to enter a rotating black hole, avoid the singularity, and travel into a rotating white hole which allows the traveler to escape into another universe.) White holes appear in the theory of eternal black holes. In addition to a black hole region in the future, such a solution of the Einstein equations has a white hole region in its past. However, this region does not exist for black holes that have formed through gravitational collapse, nor are there any known physical processes through which a white hole could be formed.

    Like black holes, white holes have properties like mass, charge, and angular momentum. They attract matter like any other mass, but objects falling towards a white hole would never actually reach the white hole's event horizon (though in the case of the maximally extended Schwarzschild solution, discussed below, the white hole event horizon in the past becomes a black hole event horizon in the future, so any object falling towards it will eventually reach the black hole horizon).

    In quantum mechanics, the black hole emits Hawking radiation, and so can come to thermal equilibrium with a gas of radiation. Since a thermal equilibrium state is time reversal invariant, Stephen Hawking argued that the time reverse of a black hole in thermal equilibrium is again a black hole in thermal equilibrium. This implies that black holes and white holes are the same object. The Hawking radiation from an ordinary black hole is then identified with the white hole emission. Hawking's semi-classical argument is reproduced in a quantum mechanical AdS/CFT treatment, where a black hole in anti-de Sitter space is described by a thermal gas in a gauge theory, whose time reversal is the same as itself.

    If your brain is not in a knot yet you didn't understand the quoted text fully. Re-read it and try to keep your cerebral matter from liquifying and leaking into your spine due to excessive freaking out.


    Weird **** of this magnitude is above my pay grade. :shaking:


    To summarize:

    White hole is the antithesis of a black hole. This in basic concept is simple - it means an area in space-time that cannot be entered from outside, but from which stuff can come out of.

    White holes are also suggested as the hypothetical "other end" of an Einstein-Rosen bridge. It has been suggested as a solution for what happens to stuff falling into a rotating black hole; somewhere, it is radiated out (corresponding probably to black body radiation depending on the intensity of the radiation) from a white hole...


    What would probably happen if a white hole and black hole collided is total guesswork for me.

    They would either create some really weird **** in local space-time, or the colliding elements might simply disappear from view at the collision scene. In the latter scene, the mass effect (hur dur) of the second black hole (which collides with first white hole) would probably be added to the mass measured for the first black hole, and the second white hole's intensity would possibly increase.
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    So. . . uh . . .

    What's a white hole?

    The time reversal of a black hole -- rather than spacetime flowing into the event horizon at speed c like in a black hole, you have spacetime flowing out of it at speed c.  In other words, instead of being unable to escape a white hole, you're unable to get into one.

    AFAIK general relativity does not forbid the existence of such a thing, but we know of absolutely no way in which one could be created and they are generally believed to not exist.

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        Since servers aren't compatible with PC operating systems (and thus must use server OS's), then does that mean supercomputers are also incompatible with PC operating systems?
    Dammit, I don't have anything witty for this.
        If white holes exist, then what happens when a white hole collides with a black hole?
    We get a mixed child
        Since black holes have infinite density, would white holes have negatively infinite density?
    You racist
        If humans made conditions on a planet favorable for life as we know it (i.e. added atmosphere, ocean, and temperatures habitable for humans, but no flora or fauna), and then we sent a very simple life form
    (such as e. coli) to the planet, would that life form evolve & diversify very slowly over millions of years, or would we see an event like the Cambrian explosion since no ecological niches are being occupied?
    Bacteria has already been said to be able to live in conditions we cannot as humans live in. Therefore it is superior
        Did they figure out for sure whether neutrinos can move faster than the speed of light?
    I don't know who Neutrinos is. Is s/he from Star Trek?
        Since atoms of matter are made of protons and neutrons (which are made of quarks) surrounded by an electron cloud, and atoms of antimatter are made of antiprotons and antineutrons (which are made of antiquarks) surrounded by a positron cloud, and electrons, positrons, quarks, and neutrinos are all elementary particles, would it be possible to have an atom composed of a nucleus of positrons and neutrinos surrounded by a cloud of other elementary particles, such as quarks or bosons?
    I like quirky bosoms
        Does generation II and III matter always decay to generation I matter?
    You don't matter, so why would your second and third generation selves change that?
        Are there any stable "exotic atoms"?
    No. Take exotic dancers for example. Daddy issues galore
        Is there more evidence for cosmological constant or quintessence?
    There is no evidence for anything. We are all teapots
        How many classes will I have to take to understand general relativity, special relativity, casualty, cosmological constant, quintessence, and string theory?
    How many classes are you willing to take in order to understand all of that
        What's this "gauge" crap?
    It's when people measure the escape velocity of feces


    That's my unrelated and unimportant contribution. It's not actually supposed to be insulting, just me being bored
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    10:  How many classes will I have to take to understand general relativity, special relativity, casualty, cosmological constant, quintessence, and string theory?


    Depends how well you want to understand them.  For instance, the basic principles of relativity (both special and general) can be understood by anyone, and there's plenty of material on them freely available on the internets. 

    Now if you want to understand it to the full extent, then you'll first need a strong background in physics and mathematics (typically 3 semesters of university level physics and calculus), and an introductory astronomy course would certainly help too.  With those prerequisites you'll be ready for two specialized courses -- one in cosmology, and one in relativity.  With that you'll have covered everything you just mentioned minus String Theory in great detail, though String Theory should at least have some quick discussion somewhere in there.

    For an in-depth investigation of String Theory, you'd probably need a grad-school level course specializing in it, but I don't know for sure.  (I'm still an undergrad.)
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