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Offline Kosh

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Arent third world values wonderful?
Get raped, go to jail, and then marry your attacker. Such wonderful traditional values.


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Afghan President Hamid Karzai has pardoned a rape victim who was jailed for adultery, after she apparently agreed to marry her attacker.

A government statement said she agreed to the marriage, although her lawyer said she did not wish to marry him.

The woman, named as Gulnaz, gave birth in prison to a daughter who has been kept in jail with her.

Senior Afghan officials told the BBC the government put no preconditions on her release.

"President Karzai tasked the minister of justice to go and talk to Gulnaz to see what she wants. During her meeting with the minister, she said she will marry the attacker only if her brother marries the attacker's sister," Emal Faizay, a spokesman for President Karzai, told the BBC.

"This is a decision by her. I can confirm that there is no precondition set by the Afghan government."

Gulnaz's lawyer told the BBC she hoped the government would allow Gulnaz the freedom to choose whom to marry.

"In my conversations with Gulnaz she told me that if she had the free choice she would not marry the man who raped her," said Kimberley Motley.

The case has drawn international attention to the plight of many Afghan women 10 years after the overthrow of the Taliban.

Human rights groups say hundreds of women in Afghan jails are victims of rape or domestic violence.

Earlier this month, Gulnaz said that after she was raped she was charged with adultery.

"At first my sentence was two years," she said. "When I appealed it became 12 years. I didn't do anything. Why should I be sentenced for so long?"

The most recent appeal saw her sentence reduced to three years.

'Marriage with conditions'

Some 5,000 people signed a petition for Gulnaz's release. News of her pardon came in a statement from the presidential palace.

It said a meeting of the judiciary committee had "discussed the issue of rape... and the issue of her imprisonment".

"As the both sides [Gulnaz and the rapist] have agreed to get married to each other with conditions, respective authorities were tasked to take action upon it according to Islamic Shariah [law]," it said.

"The president ordered the office of administrative affairs and the secretariat of the council of ministers to make the decree of Gulnaz's release."

The attack on Gulnaz was brought to light by her pregnancy. Her attacker - her cousin's husband - was jailed for 12 years, later reduced on appeal to seven years.

Her story was included in a European Union documentary on Afghan women jailed for so-called "moral crimes" - however, the EU blocked its release.

The EU said it decided to withdraw the film - which it commissioned and paid for - because of "very real concerns for the safety of the women portrayed".

The EU's Ambassador and Special Representative to Afghanistan, Vygaudas Usackas, said on Thursday he was "delighted" to hear Gulnaz was to be freed.

"Her case has served to highlight the plight of Afghan women, who 10 years after the overthrow of the Taliban regime often continue to suffer in unimaginable conditions, deprived of even the most basic human rights," he said.

"While we applaud the release of Gulnaz, on the orders of President Karzai, it is the hope of the European Union that the same mercy that has been extended to Gulnaz is applied to all women in similar circumstances."

Human rights workers criticised the EU for withdrawing the documentary, saying the injustice in the Afghan judicial system should be exposed.

Half of Afghanistan's women prisoners are inmates for "zina" or moral crimes.

The BBC's Bilal Sarwary, in Kabul, says recent cases of violence against women are embarrassing for the Afghan government.

Many Afghan women rights activists say there must be an end to the culture of impunity and police must punish all those behind violence against women, he adds.


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Offline Turambar

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Re: Arent third world values wonderful?
Currently the US is attempting a cultural victory, while sitting on its military so nobody will attack.  We just have to wait for their cities to flip.
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Offline Mikes

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Re: Arent third world values wonderful?
Currently the US is attempting a cultural victory, while sitting on its military so nobody will attack.  We just have to wait for their cities to flip.

You heard that saying about glasshouses and stones?

As horrible as this story offends our sense of right and wrong... I can remember offhand about a dozen stories about the US that offend just as much.

 

Offline Polpolion

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I'm sure they feel the same way about us. If not them, then someone is just as convinced that we're as immoral as you think they are.

 

Offline FireSpawn

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Re: Arent third world values wonderful?
I would love to see what a modern day Xena would do the the misogynistic scumbags that run the country.
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Re: Arent third world values wonderful?
ok, all morality is relative, lets just nuke them because it's fun then.
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Offline Polpolion

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Re: Arent third world values wonderful?
ok, all morality is relative, lets just nuke them because it's fun then.

now this I can agree with!

 

Offline StarSlayer

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Re: Arent third world values wonderful?
There is something more then a little absurd about the statement "How dare you treat your women like that!  We will purge your entire population in nuclear fire."
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Re: Arent third world values wonderful?
Currently the US is attempting a cultural victory, while sitting on its military so nobody will attack.  We just have to wait for their cities to flip.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

This is because they can't win the economic victory, therefore technological becomes out of the question, and domination didn't work!
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Currently the US is attempting a cultural victory, while sitting on its military so nobody will attack.  We just have to wait for their cities to flip.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

This is because they can't win the economic victory, therefore technological becomes out of the question, and domination didn't work!

When was there ever going to be an economic victory?  A Marine pops a Javelin at 4 insurgents crewing a mortar, the Javelin costs more than two years of that Marine's salary and more then those insurgents could make in four lifetimes :P  This was never going to be a cost effective conflict.
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Offline Flipside

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Re: Arent third world values wonderful?
This is probably going to cause friction, but it needs to be said that it wouldn't be the first time a court has presumed that a woman had consentual sex, realised she was in trouble, and accused her partner of rape to evade punishment. Hell, it wouldn't even be the first time it actually happened.

Now, I'll state emphatically that I'm not implying that this is what happened, I don't really know what happened, and there's certainly a much wider aspect of women's rights in these countries (as well as their treatment whilst actually in prison) that is a cause for concern, but either way, a single woman released to make a country look better on the International stage after a large amount of exposure and pressure is not really going to deal with the issues, nothing really has changed, she just got the golden ticket. It's going to take far more than that, a change in the attitude of 50% of the population, and I think very few countries are approaching that ideal. But in this case, it could have been a simple miscarraige of justice as has happened all over the world, I'm not saying it was however.

 

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Re: Arent third world values wonderful?
Currently the US is attempting a cultural victory, while sitting on its military so nobody will attack.  We just have to wait for their cities to flip.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

This is because they can't win the economic victory, therefore technological becomes out of the question, and domination didn't work!

When was there ever going to be an economic victory?  A Marine pops a Javelin at 4 insurgents crewing a mortar, the Javelin costs more than two years of that Marine's salary and more then those insurgents could make in four lifetimes :P  This was never going to be a cost effective conflict.

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Re: Arent third world values wonderful?
Currently the US is attempting a cultural victory, while sitting on its military so nobody will attack.  We just have to wait for their cities to flip.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

This is because they can't win the economic victory, therefore technological becomes out of the question, and domination didn't work!

When was there ever going to be an economic victory?  A Marine pops a Javelin at 4 insurgents crewing a mortar, the Javelin costs more than two years of that Marine's salary and more then those insurgents could make in four lifetimes :P  This was never going to be a cost effective conflict.

You sir, haven't played Civilization

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Offline Mikes

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Re: Arent third world values wonderful?
There is something more then a little absurd about the statement "How dare you treat your women like that!  We will purge your entire population in nuclear fire."

Let's just turn to salt anyone who looks back too and write a book about it :) People will praise our love for humanity!

 

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Re: Arent third world values wonderful?
ok, all morality is relative, lets just nuke them because it's fun then.

now this I can agree with!

i think ive inadvertently started a cult
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Offline deathfun

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Re: Arent third world values wonderful?
ok, all morality is relative, lets just nuke them because it's fun then.

now this I can agree with!

i think ive inadvertently started a cult
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Offline Polpolion

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Re: Arent third world values wonderful?
oh please you don't need to be in a cult to love thermonuclear weapons.

 

Offline Bobboau

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it helps though.
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Offline Mongoose

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Re: Arent third world values wonderful?
oh please you don't need to be in a cult to love thermonuclear weapons.
You do need to stop worrying.

 

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Re: Arent third world values wonderful?
This is a bad thread.
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