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Offline Unknown Target

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Offline NGTM-1R

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Re: Large protests in Russia, possible evidence of election fraud, media blackout
Western human rights values simply do not hold in China or in Russia.

And yet both countries show considerable concern about their image; witness their suppression of independent and even state journalism.

Your commentary is a rather poor examination of the market forces at work. It's not simply governments that can suffer in these circumstances. You and I think ourselves informed on these subjects, but the truth is we're not really informed except by comparison to Joe Q. Citizen. If we should get a complete and truthful eyeful of what goes on, then there would be serious repercussions for companies that do business with China and Russia. If such a thing were to get out to Joe Q. Citizen, things could become exceptionally ugly.

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Offline Unknown Target

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Re: Large protests in Russia, possible evidence of election fraud, media blackout
Russia Today seems to be getting even more fringe-worthy, now they're interviewing Alex Jones?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HYETraMg_mM

He's got some interesting information (elsewhere, I didn't watch this yet), but I mean...it's Alex Jones. He's like the last guy before you reach the tinfoil hat crowd.

 

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Re: Large protests in Russia, possible evidence of election fraud, media blackout
The only difference between that and what has already been done is that the aircraft was remotely piloted.

Helicopters have been doing the same thing for years. Nearly a decade IIRC.

 

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Re: Large protests in Russia, possible evidence of election fraud, media blackout
Yea for real. With all the hubbub I was expecting them to launch a missile strike.

 

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Re: Large protests in Russia, possible evidence of election fraud, media blackout
can haz nuklear war nao?

and im appalled at this thread's lack of a soviet russia joke!
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Re: Large protests in Russia, possible evidence of election fraud, media blackout
Very well. In Soviet Russia, government protests YOU!

 

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Re: Large protests in Russia, possible evidence of election fraud, media blackout
After having discussed the Russian development with two Russians, it seems that at least the protests are not very large in the scale of Russia. Moscow has five or six football clubs, and the number of people in one of them causes the same sort of crowd. Also, even the Russian opinion is rather divided on this, some of them don't want any change to Putin and Medvedev, some of them do. The reasons for not wanting the change is the unpredictability - with Putin you at least know what you stand for and what to expect. Some Russians suspect that the United Russia party is still the best choice to vote, rest of them are even worse. Nobody wants Jeltsin or Gorbatsov back. Russian voting percent is usually around 40 - 50 % due to passivity caused by people being unsure or seeing that this wont change anything.

However, the future of Putin is at suspect. Some of the Russians suspect that Putin has to go, but whether this opinion is supported by the majority remains to be seen.

As I said earlier, the only reason Russia and China are interested in showing having human rights is the trade with West. This is done by simply suppressing the other view; if West was really interested in human rights in these countries it would start to enforce this by making trade harder for those who offend the human rights. Unfortunately, the world works the other way around nowadays, it is Russians and Chinese that are pulling the strings and West that has to jump according to their wishes. Remember that it is those countries that are now pushing for their values towards West since we have to trade with them as well. Whether I like this development or not is another thing.
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