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Offline Polpolion

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If this bill basses, it will probably be the end of Hard Light Productions.

not really

 

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If this bill basses, it will probably be the end of Hard Light Productions.

not really

You have no idea what SOPA does, do you?

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If the bill passes and your next YouTube upload includes copyrighted music or video, you could be committing a felony. Even Facebook and YouTube, sites that exist to share user-generated content, could be held liable if just a few copyright-infringing links are discovered among the millions their users share daily.

Most of the user-made campaigns on HLP reuse at least some of Volition's original assets, which is a copyright infringement in it self, although you could make an argument for "fair use." If SOPA passes, fair use no longer applies.
« Last Edit: December 16, 2011, 03:23:15 pm by FlamingCobra »

 

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Also Cobra, you're a little late to the party.
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Offline Polpolion

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Most of the user-made campaigns on HLP reuse at least some of Volition's original assets, which is a copyright infringement in it self, although you could make an argument for "fair use." If SOPA passes, fair use no longer applies.

lololololololol

 
Re: CODE RED! WE HAVE A CODE RED!
Well FWIW, last I heard, the vote today had been postponed indefinitely.  So you have some time to educate yourself as to what the proposed legislation would do.  I suggest you make use of it.  I mean, hell, I oppose it enough that I've been writing my representatives about it, but I fail to see how it would have any impact on what goes on at HLP.  Like, at all.
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* Aardwolf thinks about teh lulz of BP:AoA being sued for use of the Wilhelm scream

 

Offline Mongoose

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...you're just hearing about this now?  It's sort of been a thing for months.

 
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If this bill basses, it will probably be the end of Hard Light Productions.

not really

You have no idea what SOPA does, do you?

And the person who's been reading internet hype instead of the bill's text does?

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If the bill passes and your next YouTube upload includes copyrighted music or video, you could be committing a felony. Even Facebook and YouTube, sites that exist to share user-generated content, could be held liable if just a few copyright-infringing links are discovered among the millions their users share daily.

Most of the user-made campaigns on HLP reuse at least some of Volition's original assets, which is a copyright infringement in it self, although you could make an argument for "fair use." If SOPA passes, fair use no longer applies.

A)  Regarding campaigns:  Derivative Work.  Look it up.  Also, do some Googling for the legal wrangling that occurred between Vanilla Ice and Queen, back in the 1980's.

B)  Facebook, YouTube, et. al. have these little things called "license agreements," wherein you either surrender your copyright over the posted works to the website or you provide them a very open-ended right to show the content to the people you're trying to reach by posting the content there.  Nobody's going to be using SOPA to sue such content-providing websites out of existance for providing content.

C)  While we're at it, look up and read about Fair Use Doctrine, because I seriously doubt you think it means what it actually means.

 

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SOPA, in effect, is a law that overcompensates for the problem it's trying to solve.  The broad definition of "infringing sites" within the act itself is the reason to be concerned, because there is some serious potential for abuse there.
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burn the earth: problem solved
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Offline Polpolion

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To add on to what BF said:

1) User campaigns != Freespace assets (ie the only assets being distributed are user made assets and the open engine).
2) It would have to be the stupidest move ever for :v: to prosecute anyone here even if we assume what we're currently doing DOES violate SOPA.
« Last Edit: December 16, 2011, 08:40:02 pm by Polpolion »

 

Offline Aardwolf

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Chilling effect.

Everyone is afraid of getting sued, and websites would rather take down non-infringing content than defend it. Look at YouTube; they've effectively automated the takedown system.

And claiming something is "derivative work" or "fair use" isn't always going to save you, even if you're right.




Edit: Look at what Universal did to the BSG mods.

 

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To add on to what BF said:

1) User campaigns != Freespace assets (ie the only assets being distributed are user made assets and the open engine).
2) It would have to be the stupidest move ever for :v: to prosecute anyone here even if we assume what we're currently doing DOES violate SOPA.
:v: is not the one you're supposed to be worried about. Interplay is.
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Offline Polpolion

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I'd imagine the same would apply. Not only has HLP has always endorsed acquisition of the Freespace games through the most legitimate means available, but we've spent 10 years giving users a reason to play Freespace, something that Interplay never did.

 

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I'd imagine the same would apply. Not only has HLP has always endorsed acquisition of the Freespace games through the most legitimate means available, but we've spent 10 years giving users a reason to play Freespace, something that Interplay never did.
if common sense was as common as its name implies, i'd agree.
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Offline Aardwolf

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And what about the TCs?

Diaspora, in particular. Because in case you haven't noticed, Universal doesn't give a damn about "derivative works" or "fair use". And they didn't even need to sue the BSG modders to get them shut down. They just passed a little note to ModDB, and ModDB didn't have the balls to say "no". And I don't expect Diaspora to fare any better if Universal decides to take the issue to Diaspora's web host, or to the HLP admins, or to HLP's web host.

 

Offline Scotty

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And what about the TCs?

Diaspora, in particular. Because in case you haven't noticed, Universal doesn't give a damn about "derivative works" or "fair use". And they didn't even need to sue the BSG modders to get them shut down. They just passed a little note to ModDB, and ModDB didn't have the balls to say "no". And I don't expect Diaspora to fare any better if Universal decides to take the issue to Diaspora's web host, or to the HLP admins, or to HLP's web host.

You expect this bill to actually get passed into law, and then for it to actually stand for more than a few weeks as the courts proceed with the next best thing to a curb-stomp-battle they've seen in decades.

Seriously, everyone needs to chill out.

 

Offline NGTM-1R

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Chilling effect.

Gets you whacked with the First Amendment.
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Offline Unknown Target

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And what about the TCs?

Diaspora, in particular. Because in case you haven't noticed, Universal doesn't give a damn about "derivative works" or "fair use". And they didn't even need to sue the BSG modders to get them shut down. They just passed a little note to ModDB, and ModDB didn't have the balls to say "no". And I don't expect Diaspora to fare any better if Universal decides to take the issue to Diaspora's web host, or to the HLP admins, or to HLP's web host.

You expect this bill to actually get passed into law, and then for it to actually stand for more than a few weeks as the courts proceed with the next best thing to a curb-stomp-battle they've seen in decades.

Seriously, everyone needs to chill out.

Actually, kind of, yea. I mean they managed to pass the indefinite detention act, and label protesters as "low level terrorists". I wouldn't be surprised if they managed to shove this through and keep it there.
That being said, it's not like the populace is making it easy for them.