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Offline Enzo03

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Offline AtomicClucker

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All I can say is that Hollywood is attempting a last minute powerplay to shove it extra hard.

There's enough in the bill to warrant a thousand constitutional challenges, but keep in mind that we're dealing with one of the more progressively censor happy and rights ignoring administrations, not that Bush was any better, but Obama, specifically Joe Biden have not been good at all for civil liberties. But to show some of the pure stupid: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111214/03264917079/freedom-information-document-dump-ice-about-domain-seizures-almost-totally-redacted.shtml that the lobbyists have been pushing for.

The lowdown is to expect more underhanded legislation, censorship, and the ICE getting innocents involved.

Don't expect me to shriek "Code Red" but keep in mind I am highly critical of proponents for copyrights - they're usually the same bastards who would sue a granny to the grave over a borked computer full of adware than sensibly plumb the market for maximum profit. For them, it's about maintaining hold on the market to strangle it.
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Don't expect me to shriek "Code Red" but keep in mind I am highly critical of proponents for copyrights - they're usually the same bastards who would sue a granny to the grave over a borked computer full of adware than sensibly plumb the market for maximum profit. For them, it's about maintaining hold on the market to strangle it.

Monopoly is the word you're looking for. In a rather anti-capitalist fashion they'd rather strangle a market than work on the principles of a free one.
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I like how the copyright for 'happy birthday to you', a song improvised by children and registered as a copyright before world war 2 is not going to fall into public domain until 2030.
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Which is quite impressive considering that they plagerised the original song and changed two words!

Just sing Good Birthday To You instead and let them sue. :p
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Offline Alex Heartnet

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Know what would be REALLY ironic?  If the senators/congressman who voted for this had THEIR web pages taken down by this law.  Most of the people who propose and support this law are themselves in violation of it.

And if this law actually passes, I bet someone will do just that just to prove a point!

Oh, and SOPA isn't dead yet.
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While it's good to not panic over things I do feel the SOPA is quite a important thing. What's worse is that it's coupled with the Indefinite Detention bill, so with a bit of bad luck it's suddenly the end of free speech. Not that anything happens overnight, as it's a process. I hope common sense actually prevails but with the people in D.C. being so unconstitutional these days there's not much chance it will.

As always, we'll see what's to come, but if such a thing is possible, we could try to talk to Volition and make some kind of agreement that protects us from getting in trouble due to SOPA.
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While it's good to not panic over things I do feel the SOPA is quite a important thing. What's worse is that it's coupled with the Indefinite Detention bill, so with a bit of bad luck it's suddenly the end of free speech. Not that anything happens overnight, as it's a process. I hope common sense actually prevails but with the people in D.C. being so unconstitutional these days there's not much chance it will.

As always, we'll see what's to come, but if such a thing is possible, we could try to talk to Volition and make some kind of agreement that protects us from getting in trouble due to SOPA.

the problem for HLP is not volition as the stuff they owned for Freespace is publicly available, the issue would be Interplay who still own the IP, and as we know Interplay is a whole other story
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I shall mindlesslyagree with most things nuke says within this thread.
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the problem for HLP is not volition as the stuff they owned for Freespace is publicly available, the issue would be Interplay who still own the IP, and as we know Interplay is a whole other story

Actually I think it's more complicated than that. From what I can see Volition retained possession of most of the IP. What Interplay appear to have is the rights to publish the game and the rights to publish any sequels to the game.
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You know, if SOPA passes, I wonder if it will somehow come back to bite the media lobbyists in the arse.

Like closing down their web stores indefinitely for being suspects of copyright infringement.
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Offline Thaeris

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And thus the moral of the story is that everyone would lose (with respect to trade, commerce, etc.)?
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Offline Klaustrophobia

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please, this isn't going to affect corperations in the slightest.  they've already demonstrated countless times that they are effectively immune to copyright law.  no, this only applies to us commoners.
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Klaustrophobia is correct, I'm afraid.

 

Offline Thaeris

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Well damn. On that note, I may be interested in seeking Tyler Durden for employment. I hear that part of the mind is interested in bringing down the system.
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If this bill basses, it will probably be the end of Hard Light Productions.

not really

You have no idea what SOPA does, do you?

And the person who's been reading internet hype instead of the bill's text does?

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If the bill passes and your next YouTube upload includes copyrighted music or video, you could be committing a felony. Even Facebook and YouTube, sites that exist to share user-generated content, could be held liable if just a few copyright-infringing links are discovered among the millions their users share daily.

Most of the user-made campaigns on HLP reuse at least some of Volition's original assets, which is a copyright infringement in it self, although you could make an argument for "fair use." If SOPA passes, fair use no longer applies.

A)  Regarding campaigns:  Derivative Work.  Look it up.  Also, do some Googling for the legal wrangling that occurred between Vanilla Ice and Queen, back in the 1980's.

B)  Facebook, YouTube, et. al. have these little things called "license agreements," wherein you either surrender your copyright over the posted works to the website or you provide them a very open-ended right to show the content to the people you're trying to reach by posting the content there.  Nobody's going to be using SOPA to sue such content-providing websites out of existance for providing content.

C)  While we're at it, look up and read about Fair Use Doctrine, because I seriously doubt you think it means what it actually means.

Fair use goes out the window, alone with derivative work.  Since ISP's have immunity, if they got an order from a company (not the government) to stop HLP they'll enforce it no matter what.
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Fair use goes out the window, alone with derivative work.  Since ISP's have immunity, if they got an order from a company (not the government) to stop HLP they'll enforce it no matter what.

Fair use doctrine and derivative work precedents do not go out the window.  They are utterly unaffected by SOPA, and to believe otherwise shows a lack of understanding about what those terms mean.  SOPA does not alter the nature of copyrights, trademarks, or patents but rather expands on the methods of enforcement.

It's still a bloody awful bill, mind you.  Were it to go into effect as-written, the internet, as accessed from the United States, would become largely partitianed off from the internet as accessed by the rest of the world because of the ****ery that SOPA demands be performed on the DNS system.  The bill expands on this notion of private enforcement of copyright that's more akin to corporate vigilantism than anything remotely resembling justice.

By all means, please continue to oppose SOPA, but when you're writing that letter to you Senators and Congressperson about it, try to include the valid reasons for opposition, and leave out the invalid ones.  If you go in shouting, "SOPA'S THE END OF FAIR USE!" then you immediately come off as sounding like an idiot who posts his favorite album/movie/video game to a torrent site, whilst trying to use fair use doctrine as a shield.  Basically, what I'm trying to say is read the ****ing bill (here's a PDF, so that you don't have to click through each section) and oppose it based on something it actually does.  It's seventy-eight pages in font-so-obnoxiously-large-that-those-old-farts-in-Congress-can-read-it.  If it means that much to you, that's a pretty short read.

 
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Would it be strange to consider making some kind of a underground version of HLP in case this passes? Since the NDAA passed at New Years Eve I'm thinking they'll pass anything that helps line their pockets or gain favor for (s)elections and such. Also, what about things like IRC's and others?
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