[Grizzly]

I have been having a discussion on Obama with another guy on Youtube (yes, yes, I know), on which one of the talking points is how Obama is responsible for the actions of the military. Apperently, according to the guy I am talking to, Obama lost the Drone that crashed in Iran. It's Obama's fault this drone was lost. The line of reasoning he used to build this point reminded me of This Video. I asked him if, pointing him to that video, Bush should then be held responsible for 9/11.
He then mentioned that it was all Clinton's fault that 9/11 happened, mentioning something called the Torricelli Doctrine that was put in place by Clinton (apperently, what makes me wonder why it is not called the Clinton Doctrine) which ruined the CIA's ability to collect information.

I have not been able to find any conclusive information on this doctrine, so I wondered if anyone who is more involved in US intell gathering could point me towards where to find more information about this doctrine.

[Hellstryker]

Uhhh, the closest thing I could find is this, which isn't very close at all. >_>

[Sushi]

After 5 minutes or so of searching:
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/9/17/162056.shtml

TL;DR: Congressman makes a stink about a specific incident. Clinton Administration subsequently tightens restrictions on spy recruiting. Post 9/11, people looking for someone to blame conclude that without those restrictions, US intelligence agencies would have known enough to prevent it.

[The E]

Trying to blame Obama for the loss of that drone is taking the concept of responsibility to ridiculous heights.

Yes, as Commander In Chief, he is ultimately responsible for what the armed forces do, but I take it as a given that he never gave an order that said "give Iran one of our drones". He did at some point authorize intelligence-gathering operations against Iran, but blaming the loss of this drone on him would be stupid. There are so many levels of abstraction between Obama and the actions taken by the team that operated that Drone that there's only the very flimsiest of connections between the two. I mean, do we even know why that Drone crashed? Was it hardware failure, operator error, or enemy action? Blaming any of those on Obama would be like me blaming Jeff Bezos (Amazon's CEO) for a package that arrived damaged, or was stolen somewhere.

[Sushi]

Trying to blame Obama for the loss of that drone is taking the concept of responsibility to ridiculous heights.

Yes, as Commander In Chief, he is ultimately responsible for what the armed forces do, but I take it as a given that he never gave an order that said "give Iran one of our drones". He did at some point authorize intelligence-gathering operations against Iran, but blaming the loss of this drone on him would be stupid. There are so many levels of abstraction between Obama and the actions taken by the team that operated that Drone that there's only the very flimsiest of connections between the two. I mean, do we even know why that Drone crashed? Was it hardware failure, operator error, or enemy action? Blaming any of those on Obama would be like me blaming Jeff Bezos (Amazon's CEO) for a package that arrived damaged, or was stolen somewhere.

From what I've read, it looks like the Iranians spoofed GPS signals to convince the drone to land on its own (making it think it was somewhere it was not). Quite clever.

[NGTM-1R]

From what I've read, it looks like the Iranians spoofed GPS signals to convince the drone to land on its own (making it think it was somewhere it was not). Quite clever.

Considering their complete unwillingness to show the underside of the drone, I somehow doubt this.

[Grizzly]

The man says that Obama knew about the crashed drone but purposefully blocked retrieval operations. If you are interested, the whole debate can be found here

[Turambar]

Gotta be careful.  Give Obama the blame for some Iranians GPS Spoofing a drone into landing, he also immediately gets direct credit for killing Osama bin Laden.

[Bobboau]

the Torricelli Doctrine

oh, you mean the one Bush DIDN'T reverse the second he took office? sounds like W was in league with the terrrststs

[Dragon]

From what I've read, it looks like the Iranians spoofed GPS signals to convince the drone to land on its own (making it think it was somewhere it was not). Quite clever.

Considering their complete unwillingness to show the underside of the drone, I somehow doubt this.

I think that's possible, they might be unwilling to show the drone's underside, because it didn't land on an airfield or botched the landing due to trying to land in a place that it wasn't intended to. Bringing the drone down is one thing, landing it safely and without damage is another.

[The E]

The man says that Obama knew about the crashed drone but purposefully blocked retrieval operations. If you are interested, the whole debate can be found here

Not going to read a load of bull**** on youtube (incidentally, why are you?), but if he blocked retrieval operations, which would involve getting a team into Iran, and then out of it again sounds a lot like the kind of illegal operations you are not supposed to do to another country in peacetime. In other words, the right choice. It's not like the drone is a US citizen of some kind.

[Grizzly]

(incidentally, why are you?)

Cuz it's fun! I enjoy talking people with viewpoints who wildly differ from mine, even if the feeling is not likewise.