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if the iceni is 944 meters and does not have a fighter bay, then how could the uss voyager from star trek (344 meters) hold shuttle craft, which are smaller than normal fighters?

Fix and modify so that large ships (corvetts to super juggernauts) are bigger so most can hold fighter bays
3 (3.8%)
fix it by subtracting length and width
2 (2.5%)
Don't "fix" anything
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Snuffleupagus
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Offline HAZARDLEADER

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so who thinks this should be fixed?
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Not me.

It's Freespace. Physics are already thrown out the air lock. Half the stuff doesn't make sense, and the other half is just rule of cool. Deal with it 8)

You also have the BP explanation : most of the internal space is occupied by multiple armor layers, redundant systems and subsystem shield generators. Also, holding a transport shuttle is one thing, supporting combat squadrons with the required armament, fuel and ordnance plus the necessary safety systems (remember 5 FS1-era Fury rockets have the power of the Hiroshima bomb, and a single fighter can carry hundreds of them) requires significantly more internal space.

Last thing : you took the Iceni as an example. We have no idea how large the ETAK device was. It could take half the ship for all we know.
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You are free to do this in your own mod. It will never happen in any "official" (read: MediaVPs) release, because it would alter FS2 gameplay considerably. This is something we will not do.

That said, every Destroyer or above has fighter bays, even some fan-made Corvette-sized vessels have them. There is really no reason to change anything.

Oh, and FreeSpace and Star Trek really aren't comparable universes.

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Good, now I can finally vote!
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Last thing : you took the Iceni as an example. We have no idea how large the ETAK device was. It could take half the ship for all we know.

The Iceni has nearly the same firepower as an Orion and certainly more than a Hecate, and it's far and away the most powerful corvette-sized vessel in the setting. Forget the ETAK: he's got a destroyer-level reactor stuffed in a corvette-sized hull. That alone will chew up copious amounts of space.
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Also, Voyager isn't canon. Except for the bit where they went Warp 10 and mutated into semisenescent lizards.
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snuff said.
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As I recall... FS fighters are actually pretty darned huge.

But anyways, this is silly, so I voted snufflepagus.
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Also, Voyager isn't canon. Except for the bit where they went Warp 10 and mutated into semisenescent lizards.

Even that is too much canon.
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As I recall... FS fighters are actually pretty darned huge.

But anyways, this is silly, so I voted snufflepagus.

Most of the FS fighters aren't that big. The cockpits are disproportionate, but overall dimensions are not outlandish in most cases. For instance, the Herc II is just shy of being 56 feet long, which is the length of a first-generation F/A-18 Hornet (models A-D). But yes, otherwise snuffy is the word of the day.

*Adding to this, at least FS ships are in standard units of meters et al; you will find some programs that tell you things are in meters, but do not actually have models on a normal scale - AT ALL...
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The Iceni has nearly the same firepower as an Orion and certainly more than a Hecate, and it's far and away the most powerful corvette-sized vessel in the setting. Forget the ETAK: he's got a destroyer-level reactor stuffed in a corvette-sized hull. That alone will chew up copious amounts of space.

It's not just the weaponary that's at issue either. The Iceni is ridiculously quick compared to other ships its size. That also suggests a larger than normal reactor.
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I bet it's got a vasudan reactor.
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Snuffy ftw

Also Iceni is a specialised blockade runner.

Also as has been stated in other comparison threads we have no direct comparison in the size of internal workings, though in ST there are lots of reference points, in FS there are non.  for example how big is a capship reactor, a capship subspace drive, how thick is a FS ships hull, how big are the missile stores for the warship launchers, how big are the stores for repairing the ship, how big is the crew,

tl;dr = lots of unknown variables that affect the size of a FS capship

and I could easily go on and without that comparison and/or a reference point in RL technology for most of it there is no way to say in any meaningful manner if the scale of one universe or another is correct.
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I bet it's got a vasudan reactor.
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Nope. We just know the Vasudans have the best reactors, and the Iceni has many design elements similar to the Deimos. So the speculation is legit.
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So now all we need is an FS2 campaign where the Vasudans are chasing Bosch to get back the reactor he 'borrowed'.
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The NTF already uses many Deimoses, and the Zods aren't specifically chasing down every single one of them...
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It's Freespace. Physics are already thrown out the air lock. Half the stuff doesn't make sense, and the other half is just rule of cool. Deal with it 8)

You also have the BP explanation : most of the internal space is occupied by multiple armor layers, redundant systems and subsystem shield generators. Also, holding a transport shuttle is one thing, supporting combat squadrons with the required armament, fuel and ordnance plus the necessary safety systems (remember 5 FS1-era Fury rockets have the power of the Hiroshima bomb, and a single fighter can carry hundreds of them) requires significantly more internal space.

Last thing : you took the Iceni as an example. We have no idea how large the ETAK device was. It could take half the ship for all we know.

You're right this is pointless, but if a tv show of fs or movie comes out, i just they get the dimensions right
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You're right this is pointless, but if a tv show of fs or movie comes out, i just they get the dimensions right
but if a tv show of fs or movie comes out,
tv show of fs or movie
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