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Why aren't more people talking about the NDAA??
If you haven't heard about the NDAA yet (H.R.1540), you had better start researching. Now.

The NDAA is a bill that we pass every year to approve the DoD's budget. But this year, it hass some serious, bonechilling clauses contained within it.

Among other things, it declares that the United States is a battleground and a warzone in the War on Terror.  It states that the government can, on suspicion of terrorist activities or, get this, a "beligerent act" against the United States makes one an enemy combatant, and the United States Armed Forces can be ordered to detain you without warrant, proven evidence, incommunicado, without Habeas Corpus or access to a lawyer, until "hostilities cease."

The War on Terror was defined by George Bush as "a war without end."

Under this law, neither "terrorist" nor "beligerent act" are well-defined. A beligerent act can be anything, and a terrorist can be anything from a card-carrying suicide bomber, to a person missing fingers, to a person storing ammunition, to a person with more than 7 days' food in their home.

Oh, this goes for citizens, residents, and foreigners. This attacks the 1st, 4th and 14th amendments viciously.

As if that's not enough, an amendment was passed that requires that the Rules of Engagement for any designated live-fire zone allow military personnel to "proactively defend themselves." There is no word as to who desides what a "designated live-fire zone" is.

Here's the worst-case scenario I can imagine with this amendment:

 people gather to protest *something*

The military is called in to keep the peace

The crowd becomes unruly

A riot begins

soldiers begin "proactively defending themselves."

Thus, we see the end of the right to assemble.

This bill was signed into law by President Obama on December 31st, 2011.

He issued a signing statement, which says he was reluctant and held reservations, that he promises not to detain any US Citizens.  But as it turns out, he was the one who told congress to write in the contraversial sections. In fact, he threatened to veto it, but not because of its glaring flaws. He wanted to veto it becausee it kept him accountable to a congressional committee once every 3 years.

If only that were the end of it.  But it isn't.

Also on the books is HR1981, which spells out the end of privacy on the net as we know it, as it would require ISP's to snoop on our web surfing, and hold records for one year, tying IP's, even dynamic ones, to individuals.

This means that viewing "undesirable material" makes you a suspect, and as a suspect, you can be detained.

Couple this, with the censorship and takedown-without-due-process under SOPA and PIPA, and we see an incredibly terrifying trend coming together.

I'll post sources later. For now, just google. While the media and majority are avoiding the issue, some people are talking about it.


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Re: Why aren't more people talking about the NDAA??
I don't know, but I get teh feeling that this is just business as usual for the USA.

What happened to you Americans anyway? You used to be kinda cool before and during the Second world war, after that things kinda went downhill...

 

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Re: Why aren't more people talking about the NDAA??
I think that the Patriot Act pretty much covered this all before.

And as for ordering military to shoot their own citizens they have sworn to protect - that's quite bad. There are incidents in history when that has indeed happened, and incidents where it turned out far worse to the ruling parties. I believe that in US case it would turn for worse if government ordered such actions; I think most of the US soldiers would still be quite conscientious(?) about this and would likely object. It is their cause as well that the protesters would be fighting - there is no sympathy for the big money, unless somebody gets paid their share. And I don't know at all what the National Guard would do and on whose side it would be.

I wouldn't be that happy living in EU either, this has turned out to be a far bigger deal worse than expected. Finnish defense morale is probably lowest in the history of the nation, and I really don't wonder about that as it really doesn't look like our government would even like to provide believable deterrent. So, who would like to get shot for the big money/politics interests?
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Re: Why aren't more people talking about the NDAA??
I don't know, but I get teh feeling that this is just business as usual for the USA.

What happened to you Americans anyway? You used to be kinda cool before and during the Second world war, after that things kinda went downhill...

a history class would do you good

 
Re: Why aren't more people talking about the NDAA??
This has never been done to citizens. The patriot act had nothing to do with citizens. Now, every citizen is a potential enemy. Thus, the very philosophy of the constitution is nullified.

The only thing that has come close to this is the Security Act of the MacCarthy era.
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Re: Why aren't more people talking about the NDAA??
a problem with us citizens is they have this glorified picture of what the usa really is. we are an empire. there is no way to sugar coat it. but we are an empire that is observant on history. we know that you cant just move in and take over huge chunks of territory like the nazis tried to do. when you stop pushing and start defending what you have taken, then it only takes a mediocre nation to put a stop to it. before ww2 came along we weren't the military powerhouse we are today, we had to be challenged by the japanese and the nazis, in fact i say our nation capitalized on the situation quite well. thanks to the nazis (and the japanese to a lesser extend), putting the most powerful nations in the world into a chokehold, was a huge invite for us to do a power grab of our own. all we had to do is defeat their empires. instant superpower. the soviet's too were also put into a similar position. with the war settled, the two remaining powerbases entered into the penis measuring contest that was the cold war.

what ultimately changed is they got the taste for real power and they werent about to let it go. they wanted more. since the old war mentality could not put us in command of the world, some other fledgling nation would step in and do their own power grab. instead we keep our military busy in little wars here and there against nations that pose no real threat to us. we setup a puppet government and we move on. anything we can do to keep the world in chaos will help us. any government we can turn to our side will help us. they want a world government and they would step on anyone to get it, even their own people. and when they do i will be there to nuke them and take it for my own (and then nuke it).
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Re: Why aren't more people talking about the NDAA??
I think that the Patriot Act pretty much covered this all before.

It's actually an acronym! "USA PATRIOT Act", it stands for Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act

 

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Re: Why aren't more people talking about the NDAA??
It's you american's fault for letting the political discourse be dominated by lunatics.

Oh, and BTW, get used to the idea that the USA are not a democracy anymore, and haven't been for quite some time. Pretty nice Oligarchy you have going there, though.
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Re: Why aren't more people talking about the NDAA??
Pretty nice Oligarchy you have going there, though.

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Re: Why aren't more people talking about the NDAA??
Sure, but we don't brag as much about our democraticness as the stereotypical american jingoist does :P
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Re: Why aren't more people talking about the NDAA??
North America is ruled by large corporations

Europe is ruled by bankers

South America is ruled by drug dealers

Asia is ruled by communist ass-dicks

Africa is ruled by......... well...... Africa is continuously in a state of anarchy

and Australia is ruled by cane toads


that's why I want to build my own country out in the middle of the ocean.

 
Re: Why aren't more people talking about the NDAA??
Just don't put it on the sea floor, okay?
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I guess that if somebody won't do anything about all this idiocy, I'll end up going to Switzerland.
US proposes a series of Communist China-style restrictions, EU is going bankrupt and China is too totalitarian for me. Guess it's time to start learning German.

 

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Re: Why aren't more people talking about the NDAA??
It's you american's fault for letting the political discourse be dominated by lunatics.

Oh, and BTW, get used to the idea that the USA are not a democracy anymore, and haven't been for quite some time. Pretty nice Oligarchy you have going there, though.

nu uh america is number one in democracy you just hate my freedom america invented democracy enjoy your wmd terrorist

 

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Re: Why aren't more people talking about the NDAA??
Just don't put it on the sea floor, okay?
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I guess that if somebody won't do anything about all this idiocy, I'll end up going to Switzerland.
US proposes a series of Communist China-style restrictions, EU is going bankrupt and China is too totalitarian for me. Guess it's time to start learning German.
You do realize that switzerland is ruled by the biggest bankers of all, don't you? Haven't you ever heard of swiss bank accounts?

 

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Re: Why aren't more people talking about the NDAA??
It's you american's fault for letting the political discourse be dominated by lunatics.

Oh, and BTW, get used to the idea that the USA are not a democracy anymore, and haven't been for quite some time. Pretty nice Oligarchy you have going there, though.

nu uh america is number one in democracy you just hate my freedom america invented democracy enjoy your wmd terrorist

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Re: Why aren't more people talking about the NDAA??
You do realize that switzerland is ruled by the biggest bankers of all, don't you? Haven't you ever heard of swiss bank accounts?
I did.
Despite that, it's much better than all these lunatics all over the world. It's not going bankrupt, censoring Internet, allowing military to do whatever it wants to nor turning it's schools into moron factories. Plus, CERN is located in there.

 

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Re: Why aren't more people talking about the NDAA??
...a bill that we pass every year...
this might have something to do with why no one is talking about it.
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Re: Why aren't more people talking about the NDAA??
It's actually an acronym! "USA PATRIOT Act", it stands for Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act
Just like the PROTECT IP Act stands for Preventing Real Online Threats to Economic Creativity and Theft of Intellectual Property.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protect_IP_Act

I wonder who in the legislative bureaucracy gets paid to come up with cutesy backronyms for bill names.

 

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Re: Why aren't more people talking about the NDAA??
Probably the same guy who thinks up all of NASA's.