Poll

Which MBT is superior?

Merkava Mk IV (Israel)
5 (7.4%)
Callenger 2 (Great Britian)
8 (11.8%)
M1-A2 Abram (USA)
16 (23.5%)
T-90A (Russia)
5 (7.4%)
Leopard 2 (Germany)
17 (25%)
Snuffulpagus Dreadnought (Other)
17 (25%)
Awesome Face Mega Tank (Other)
0 (0%)
Type-10 (Japan)
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 68

Author Topic: Which Main Battle Tank is better? (Personal Opinion counts!)  (Read 17127 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline NeonShivan

  • Previously known as BTA
  • 29
  • By the Omnisiah's grace.
Which Main Battle Tank is better? (Personal Opinion counts!)
Just in case if no one knows what these tanks look like here are pictures:



M1-A2 Abrams



T-90A



Leopard 2



Challenger 2



Merkava Mk IV

May the voting begin!
« Last Edit: January 26, 2012, 09:44:32 am by BTA »
In German even the most beautiful love letter sounds like an execution order -Mito

(•_•)
 <)  )/
 /  \ All the Single Ladies

( •_•)
\(  (>
  /  \ All the Single Ladies

(•_•)
 <)  )/
 /  \  Oh Oh Oh

Author of Dusk Wars - A modification for Freespace 2.

  

Offline The E

  • He's Ebeneezer Goode
  • 213
  • Nothing personal, just tech support.
    • Steam
    • Twitter
Re: Which Main Battle Tank is better? (Personal Opinion counts!)
Gods dammit, use lvlshot.
If I'm just aching this can't go on
I came from chasing dreams to feel alone
There must be changes, miss to feel strong
I really need lifе to touch me
--Evergrey, Where August Mourns

 

Offline NeonShivan

  • Previously known as BTA
  • 29
  • By the Omnisiah's grace.
Re: Which Main Battle Tank is better? (Personal Opinion counts!)
Gods dammit, use lvlshot.

Sorry, you can thank school computer limitations and wikipedia D:
In German even the most beautiful love letter sounds like an execution order -Mito

(•_•)
 <)  )/
 /  \ All the Single Ladies

( •_•)
\(  (>
  /  \ All the Single Ladies

(•_•)
 <)  )/
 /  \  Oh Oh Oh

Author of Dusk Wars - A modification for Freespace 2.

 
Re: Which Main Battle Tank is better? (Personal Opinion counts!)
Remember reading in newspaper or online article that in a recent (Maybe 1-2 year old now) Army competition that the Swedish Leopard 2 beat out all the other MBT's in the world and basically outperformed them by 3x the efficiency and speed etc.

That's either the awesome crew or just the tank :P

 

Offline jg18

  • A very happy zod
  • 210
  • can do more than spellcheck
Re: Which Main Battle Tank is better? (Personal Opinion counts!)
Five choices other than Snuffy but only four photos? :confused:

EDIT: OP has been updated. Although you could put the photos in the same order as the choices. :p

 

Offline NeonShivan

  • Previously known as BTA
  • 29
  • By the Omnisiah's grace.
Re: Which Main Battle Tank is better? (Personal Opinion counts!)
Five choices other than Snuffy but only four photos? :confused:

Fixed that now, all hail the Jewish Tank ^^

Quote
EDIT: OP has been updated. Although you could put the photos in the same order as the choices.

I could do that OR people can read the caption at the bottom of each picture  :o
In German even the most beautiful love letter sounds like an execution order -Mito

(•_•)
 <)  )/
 /  \ All the Single Ladies

( •_•)
\(  (>
  /  \ All the Single Ladies

(•_•)
 <)  )/
 /  \  Oh Oh Oh

Author of Dusk Wars - A modification for Freespace 2.

 

Offline Scotty

  • 1.21 gigawatts!
  • 211
  • Guns, guns, guns.
Re: Which Main Battle Tank is better? (Personal Opinion counts!)
The Abrams combat record is unmatched.  There is, quite simply put, not a tank in the world that has a better operational record than it does.  Ever.

However, I think the Israeli Merkava gets the nod on my end because of its ability to bring it's own infantry support with it.  A tank without infantry support is a dead tank, no matter how good it is.

This is all aside from how asking which tank is "superior" is a terrible question.  They're all very, very good tanks that differ in a few key operational standpoints that make them neither superior nor inferior to each other, merely different.

 

Offline NeonShivan

  • Previously known as BTA
  • 29
  • By the Omnisiah's grace.
Re: Which Main Battle Tank is better? (Personal Opinion counts!)
I do agree with you on the Merkava. Compared to other tanks in the world its also capable of internally operating a 60mm Mortor. Which is probably what you ment by its own anti-infantry equiptment. Also with the Abrams I also agree. Although a lot of British people I've met argue that the Challenger 2 is better then the Abrams due to their larger survivability rate.
In German even the most beautiful love letter sounds like an execution order -Mito

(•_•)
 <)  )/
 /  \ All the Single Ladies

( •_•)
\(  (>
  /  \ All the Single Ladies

(•_•)
 <)  )/
 /  \  Oh Oh Oh

Author of Dusk Wars - A modification for Freespace 2.

 

Offline Scotty

  • 1.21 gigawatts!
  • 211
  • Guns, guns, guns.
Re: Which Main Battle Tank is better? (Personal Opinion counts!)
No, I meant that the Merkava, in addition to being a tank, is also an APC.  It quite literally carts around a fire-team of IDF infantry in the back.

 
Re: Which Main Battle Tank is better? (Personal Opinion counts!)
Challenger 2 of course:
Quote from: Wikipedia
Like every British tank since the Centurion, and most other British AFVs, Challenger 2 contains a boiling vessel (BV) also known as a kettle or bivvie for water which can be used to brew tea, produce other hot beverages and heat boil-in-the-bag meals contained in ration packs. This BV requirement is general for armoured vehicles of the British Armed Forces, and is unique to the armed forces of the UK.
Find me as Hojo Norem elsewhere...

butter_pat_head... a name picked in sheer desperation more than 10 years ago from some super obscure Red Dwarf reference.

 

Offline Ravenholme

  • 29
  • (d.h.f)
Re: Which Main Battle Tank is better? (Personal Opinion counts!)
Challenger 2 of course:
Quote from: Wikipedia
Like every British tank since the Centurion, and most other British AFVs, Challenger 2 contains a boiling vessel (BV) also known as a kettle or bivvie for water which can be used to brew tea, produce other hot beverages and heat boil-in-the-bag meals contained in ration packs. This BV requirement is general for armoured vehicles of the British Armed Forces, and is unique to the armed forces of the UK.

Chally 2 or the Leopard 2. Both great tanks with incredible performance/survivability.
Full Auto - I've got a bullet here with your name on it, and I'm going to keep firing until I find out which one it is.

<The_E>   Several sex-based solutions come to mind
<The_E>   Errr
<The_E>   *sexp

 

Offline Rodo

  • Custom tittle
  • 212
  • stargazer
    • Steam
Re: Which Main Battle Tank is better? (Personal Opinion counts!)
can I have one of each?

no?

:C
el hombre vicio...

 

Offline Turambar

  • Determined to inflict his entire social circle on us
  • 210
  • You can't spell Manslaughter without laughter
Re: Which Main Battle Tank is better? (Personal Opinion counts!)
Challenger 2 of course:
Quote from: Wikipedia
Like every British tank since the Centurion, and most other British AFVs, Challenger 2 contains a boiling vessel (BV) also known as a kettle or bivvie for water which can be used to brew tea, produce other hot beverages and heat boil-in-the-bag meals contained in ration packs. This BV requirement is general for armoured vehicles of the British Armed Forces, and is unique to the armed forces of the UK.


How delightfully classy.  Unexpected in a tank.
10:55:48   TurambarBlade: i've been selecting my generals based on how much i like their hats
10:55:55   HerraTohtori: me too!
10:56:01   HerraTohtori: :D

 

Offline Bob-san

  • Wishes he was cool
  • 210
  • It's 5 minutes to midnight.
Re: Which Main Battle Tank is better? (Personal Opinion counts!)
Challenger 2 of course:
Quote from: Wikipedia
Like every British tank since the Centurion, and most other British AFVs, Challenger 2 contains a boiling vessel (BV) also known as a kettle or bivvie for water which can be used to brew tea, produce other hot beverages and heat boil-in-the-bag meals contained in ration packs. This BV requirement is general for armoured vehicles of the British Armed Forces, and is unique to the armed forces of the UK.


How delightfully classy.  Unexpected in a tank.
But does it come with china?
NGTM-1R: Currently considering spending the rest of the day in bed cuddling.
GTSVA: With who...?
Nuke: chewbacca?
Bob-san: The Rancor.

 

Offline Mars

  • I have no originality
  • 211
  • Attempting unreasonable levels of reasonable
Re: Which Main Battle Tank is better? (Personal Opinion counts!)
The M1. . . cause there's 10,000 of them, and they aren't half bad. Gas hogs though, compared to most other MBTs

EDIT:

Apparently only 9,000 of them.

EDIT2: Apparently Isreal has a really impressive number of tanks for their size. Also, the Isreali tank is the cheapest on this list.

Wikipedia is the source for all this information, as it's an informal discussion, not a debate.
« Last Edit: January 26, 2012, 03:05:56 pm by Mars »

 

Offline headdie

  • i don't use punctuation lol
  • 212
  • Lawful Neutral with a Chaotic outook
    • Skype
    • Twitter
    • Headdie on Deviant Art
Re: Which Main Battle Tank is better? (Personal Opinion counts!)
You would pick the Challenger's least flattering angle lol

I know I am British and very bias but Challenger II all the way, though as stated pretty much any heavy/MBT fielded by developed nations is going to be a formidable opponent when deployed in it's intended situation
Minister of Interstellar Affairs Sol Union - Retired
quote General Battuta - "FRED is canon!"
Contact me at [email protected]
My Release Thread, Old Release Thread, Celestial Objects Thread, My rubbish attempts at art

 

Offline NeonShivan

  • Previously known as BTA
  • 29
  • By the Omnisiah's grace.
Re: Which Main Battle Tank is better? (Personal Opinion counts!)
Challenger 2 of course:
Quote from: Wikipedia
Like every British tank since the Centurion, and most other British AFVs, Challenger 2 contains a boiling vessel (BV) also known as a kettle or bivvie for water which can be used to brew tea, produce other hot beverages and heat boil-in-the-bag meals contained in ration packs. This BV requirement is general for armoured vehicles of the British Armed Forces, and is unique to the armed forces of the UK.


How delightfully classy.  Unexpected in a tank.
But does it come with china?

0.o
In German even the most beautiful love letter sounds like an execution order -Mito

(•_•)
 <)  )/
 /  \ All the Single Ladies

( •_•)
\(  (>
  /  \ All the Single Ladies

(•_•)
 <)  )/
 /  \  Oh Oh Oh

Author of Dusk Wars - A modification for Freespace 2.

 
Re: Which Main Battle Tank is better? (Personal Opinion counts!)
Its British, and has a tea kettle.  Of course it has fine china tea cups.
17:37:02   Quanto: I want to have sexual intercourse with every space elf in existence
17:37:11   SpardaSon21: even the males?
17:37:22   Quanto: its not gay if its an elf

[21:51] <@Droid803> I now realize
[21:51] <@Droid803> this will be SLIIIIIGHTLY awkward
[21:51] <@Droid803> as this rich psychic girl will now be tsundere for a loli.
[21:51] <@Droid803> OH WELLL.

See what you're missing in #WoD and #Fsquest?

[07:57:32] <Caiaphas> inspired by HerraTohtori i built a supermaneuverable plane in ksp
[07:57:43] <Caiaphas> i just killed my pilots with a high-g maneuver
[07:58:19] <Caiaphas> apparently people can't take 20 gees for 5 continuous seconds
[08:00:11] <Caiaphas> the plane however performed admirably, and only crashed because it no longer had any guidance systems

 

Offline Colonol Dekker

  • HLP is my mistress
  • Moderator
  • 213
  • Aken Tigh Dekker- you've probably heard me
    • My old squad sub-domain
Re: Which Main Battle Tank is better? (Personal Opinion counts!)
Chally two.

I've been on one, in one, had tea from one, while in one ^_^
Campaigns I've added my distinctiveness to-
- Blue Planet: Battle Captains
-Battle of Neptune
-Between the Ashes 2
-Blue planet: Age of Aquarius
-FOTG?
-Inferno R1
-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
(Others lost to the mists of time and no discernible audit trail)

Your friendly Orestes tactical controller.

Secret bomb God.
That one time I got permabanned and got to read who was being bitxhy about me :p....
GO GO DEKKER RANGERSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
President of the Scooby Doo Model Appreciation Society
The only good Zod is a dead Zod
NEWGROUNDS COMEDY GOLD, UPDATED DAILY
http://badges.steamprofile.com/profile/default/steam/76561198011784807.png

 

Offline deathfun

  • 210
  • Hey man. Peace. *Car hits them* Frakking hippies
Re: Which Main Battle Tank is better? (Personal Opinion counts!)
Quote
Leopard C1 (1979)

The Leopard 1 main battle tank was developed by Germany in the 1960s. Canada purchased 127 Leopard 1A3 tanks (built by Krauss-Maffei Wehrtechnik GmbH) in 1979, the bulk of which were stationed in West Germany until Canada's withdrawal from Europe after the Cold War ended.

The tank had a fully stabilized 105mm gun capable of firing while the vehicle was moving. The Leopard also has a 7.62mm C-6 MG mounted co-axially, a C-6 on the turret roof for anti-aircraft defence, and smoke dischargers.

The Canadian Forces upgraded the 1A3 with add-on armour plating.

Clearly this because Canadians are awesome in the fashion that they develop their Forces
"Let's take this really old tank, and slap on some plating. Then we'll call it our own!"

But of course, we did slightly upgrade them a little more

Quote
Leopard C2 (1994)

The Leopard C1 retrofitted with a German Leopard 1A5 turret with improved (thermal) sights, as well as composite add-on armour, was known as the Leopard C2. The thermal sights allowed for operation at night and in battlefield visibility conditions obscured by smoke, dust or fog. The upgrading of the Leopards into C2 configuration began in 1994 and was completed in September 2001 at a cost of $139 million.

A number of desired upgrades proved too costly (at $400 million) such as improved firepower, armour protection, and electric turret drive. The thermal sight and digital fire control system took priority; the most effective way to achieve this was to replace 114 C1 turrets with surplus German Leopard 1A5 turrets, which already had the thermal sights and fire control systems in place.

The new turrets were reconditioned in Germany, fitted with Canadian specific components such as an Iris communication system, external stowage baskets, and an internal spall liner. The turrets were installed at Miramichi, New Brunswick and the vehicles were then commissioned at CFB Gagetown. Nine spare turrets were acquired for spare parts, test equipment and use as training aids.

Clearly, the German tank wins
"No"