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Which MBT is superior?

Merkava Mk IV (Israel)
5 (7.4%)
Callenger 2 (Great Britian)
8 (11.8%)
M1-A2 Abram (USA)
16 (23.5%)
T-90A (Russia)
5 (7.4%)
Leopard 2 (Germany)
17 (25%)
Snuffulpagus Dreadnought (Other)
17 (25%)
Awesome Face Mega Tank (Other)
0 (0%)
Type-10 (Japan)
0 (0%)

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Offline StarSlayer

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Re: Which Main Battle Tank is better? (Personal Opinion counts!)
180 mph, if it's 3x.  I've personally watched an Abrams pass my car on the highway going 60 mph.

Where the hell do you live that such a thing would happen?

Baghdad?
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Re: Which Main Battle Tank is better? (Personal Opinion counts!)
K-State is in the same county as Fort Riley.  The fort houses the 1st Infantry Division, as well as at least some smaller armored unit.  Abrams are not unheard of.  That's not to say common, but they've been on the roads a few times.

 

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Re: Which Main Battle Tank is better? (Personal Opinion counts!)
Top speed is 45mph. 60 is a significant leap. Are you sure about that Scotty?

Edit: I see that removing the governor could allow for speed like that. It looks like it also risks tearing the drive train all to hell
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Re: Which Main Battle Tank is better? (Personal Opinion counts!)
In any situation where you must deal with possibility of tearing your equipment up something fierce or the certainty of dying, which do you suppose will win out? The governor is probably the first thing a crew takes off the tank in case they ever need the extra speed/power.
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Which tank has the widest and longest base for running over the most terrorists in one pass?
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i'm no soldier but i think the only terrorists you could possibly run over with a tank are wearing bomb belts.
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We'll run over those terrorist with this then.
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Re: Which Main Battle Tank is better? (Personal Opinion counts!)
In any situation where you must deal with possibility of tearing your equipment up something fierce or the certainty of dying, which do you suppose will win out? The governor is probably the first thing a crew takes off the tank in case they ever need the extra speed/power.

Good point, but it seems a hair silly to risk ripping the treads to shreds bum rushing a Kansas highway.
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I don't think that any country posts their maximum stats in public domain, of any war machine really.

Warships case and point.

 

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Two new tanks have been added to the Poll!

Type-10 Japanese MBT:



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Re: Which Main Battle Tank is better? (Personal Opinion counts!)
Isn't there also a chinese tank with a double barrel?

 

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only in the intellectual property of EA :P.
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Re: Which Main Battle Tank is better? (Personal Opinion counts!)
Double barrelled tanks will probably not be a reality until lasers become feasible battlefield armament and only then if power supply outstrips cycle time of the weapons.  While ballistic armaments are typical it will be better to build a bigger gun and achieve better penetration.  Twin 105mm barrels have the penetration of a 105mm but give you a second shot if you miss, a 120mm cannon has the potential for greater kinetic energy thus greater penetrating power.
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IIRC, Soviets did some experiments with double-barrel layout. It didn't work out so well, so they dropped it.

 

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IIRC, Soviets did some experiments with double-barrel layout. It didn't work out so well, so they dropped it.

There were prototypes of such vehicles and they used autoloading systems, the issue was if you can mount two 73mm guns and a missile system, you can mount one 125mm gun that doubles as a missile system. Tanks have a limited amount of weight to play with. Mounting two MBT-calibur guns on that weight will unacceptably compromise other characteristics to no significant gain.

There was a Canadian TD design from the Cold War that never saw production with a couple of 120s and a revolver cylinder loading system for each which would have been interesting, but also never saw service. But it was never intended to stand up to fire, rather to fight from a prepared position that would protect it, and it turned out to be too slow.
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There were prototypes of such vehicles and they used autoloading systems, the issue was if you can mount two 73mm guns and a missile system, you can mount one 125mm gun that doubles as a missile system. Tanks have a limited amount of weight to play with. Mounting two MBT-calibur guns on that weight will unacceptably compromise other characteristics to no significant gain.
That's basically the story. Soviets were big on autoloaders (Russians seem to continue with this trend) and they wanted a missile system on a tank. They even experimented with dedicated missile tanks (to no effect, as usual). At some point, they found they could launch guided missiles through the gun barrel, which greatly simplified things, as they could do with one system instead of two or three. At the same time, metallurgy advanced to the point they could make a feasible 125mm tank gun. They use gun-launched missiles to this day.

 

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fyi it was in the middle east occasionally so at least it's been more places than that japanese tank. :P
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I'm pretty sure the latest Leopard variant, the 2A6, will be the best tank in the world for some time. It has excellent turret armor and its gun and drive train are good as any. All the polled tanks are pretty lethal toward each other, though. Some T-90s have top attack missile defenses, which are good, but the West doesn't see a need to protect against top attack weapons since it owns all of them.

 

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I'm pretty sure the latest Leopard variant, the 2A6, will be the best tank in the world for some time. It has excellent turret armor and its gun and drive train are good as any. All the polled tanks are pretty lethal toward each other, though. Some T-90s have top attack missile defenses, which are good, but the West doesn't see a need to protect against top attack weapons since it owns all of them.

well, once defended against as well as frontal defense, top-attack just becomes a waste of money over direct-attack weapons.