[Scotty]

Call me when you offer a concrete point. Then we can talk.
And dont' tell me I don't understand your argument if you don't attempt to understand mine. Apples anad oranges. Poatos, potatoes.

 

I feel like that smiley and this explanation would be a better use of a post than if I said what I was actually thinking.

[TrashMan]

Yeah, fascinating Scotty.

You don't like what I have to say. I get it. You want me to shut up or GTFO. I get it.
Point made.

[Luis Dias]

Please stop bashing eachother and start bashing the indoctrinated ending of ME3 and the subsequent pay to get the actual ending DLC

pls2readthread, kthxbai.

BTW, we've been discussing almost nothing but the ending for the past 15 pages.

Well as far as I could gather, that was precisely the intention of Mac Walters and Casey Hudson, to create a "speculative" ending and one that would be remembered for a long time.

Mission accomplished!!

[karajorma]

Yes...double posting. The greatest crime of all.
The stylish atrocity of TWO post one after another is just too horrible to bear! 

Sometimes, the rules/laws one runs into are so silly.....

Several of us post from mobile devices, so it's quite a pain in the arse having to scroll past all those gadgets a second or third time simply because you couldn't be bothered to do what you should have done in the first place. Besides, you've already triple posted on this thread and if we don't draw the line somewhere who knows what kind of lunacy you'd consider to be too far.

It is far simpler to draw the line at "Don't double post" than "Don't quadruple post".

Anyway, I've made the policy clear and I've even explained why. If you have any further issue with it, take it up in the correct place, not here.

[Ashrak]

starchild also says "like WE let you live last time WE were here" if it was the citadel it never left....

[General Battuta]

starchild also says "like WE let you live last time WE were here" if it was the citadel it never left....

I've seen every piece of evidence and I'm pretty sure, going off The Final Hours, that the indoctrination theory is a fan creation. BioWare never intended it. If they're smart they'll pretend it was their plan all along and use it as a springboard for a new ending.

[Ashrak]

to be honest, i think if anyone could pull it of as a goal it would be bioware. so im gonna go with the bioware intended this to be not the ending.


cuz the current ending are ****

[General Battuta]

to be honest, i think if anyone could pull it of as a goal it would be bioware. so im gonna go with the bioware intended this to be not the ending.


cuz the current ending are ****

It'd be great to believe that, but the behind the scenes material they've released makes it clear that these were the endings they've designed. They've even been in the leaked scripts since last year.

BioWare isn't Obsidian. They're not particularly talented or risky writers. They just stick to what they've always done.

[Mort]

Never attribute to brilliance what can be explained by incompetence. Bioware mucked up

[newman]

I've seen every piece of evidence and I'm pretty sure, going off The Final Hours, that the indoctrination theory is a fan creation. BioWare never intended it. If they're smart they'll pretend it was their plan all along and use it as a springboard for a new ending.

I've actually gone the exact opposite route. At first I was convinced that the indoctrination theory was just wishful thinking on the fan's part. But after seeing some rather concisely and logically laid out arguments, I have to say I've gone from extremely skeptical to thinking that there's actually a good chance (say, 50-50) that it's actually true.

This video I found particularly interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZOyeFvnhiI&list=UUsgv2QHkT2ljEixyulzOnUQ&index=1&feature=plcp

Not saying it proves anything, but there are some pretty valid points there. It's possible Bioware wanted to make a bit of gaming history by doing this. If so, they're the greatest trolls of all time..

[Herra Tohtori]

It'd be great to believe that, but the behind the scenes material they've released makes it clear that these were the endings they've designed. They've even been in the leaked scripts since last year.

Are you familiar with Operation Mincemeat?

[General Battuta]

I've seen every piece of evidence and I'm pretty sure, going off The Final Hours, that the indoctrination theory is a fan creation. BioWare never intended it. If they're smart they'll pretend it was their plan all along and use it as a springboard for a new ending.

I've actually gone the exact opposite route. At first I was convinced that the indoctrination theory was just wishful thinking on the fan's part. But after seeing some rather concisely and logically laid out arguments, I have to say I've gone from extremely skeptical to thinking that there's actually a good chance (say, 50-50) that it's actually true.

This video I found particularly interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZOyeFvnhiI&list=UUsgv2QHkT2ljEixyulzOnUQ&index=1&feature=plcp

Not saying it proves anything, but there are some pretty valid points there. It's possible Bioware wanted to make a bit of gaming history by doing this. If so, they're the greatest trolls of all time..

It's a cool reading, but...

The whole theory suggests that the Reapers are attempting to prevent Shep from activating the Crucible and destroying them, by fighting a battle in his mind while he's lying in the rubble on Earth...unconscious...helpless...in clear sight of Harbinger...who is armed with ship-to-ship-weapons...

I'm seeing a more parsimonious way to stop Shep right here.

[newman]

It's a cool reading, but...

The whole theory suggests that the Reapers are attempting to prevent Shep from activating the Crucible and destroying them, by fighting a battle in his mind while he's lying in the rubble on Earth...unconscious...helpless...in clear sight of Harbinger...who is armed with ship-to-ship-weapons...

I'm seeing a more parsimonious way to stop Shep right here.

The battle could be fought in his mind independently. The reapers having planted their corruption in Shep's mind, and it works slowy wherever he is. To Harbinger, he might have just been another insignificant dead or almost dead organic lying in the rubble, provided it even bothered scanning the field for survivors.

Basically, there's no middle ground here. They've either pulled a brilliant move yet to be revealed, or they have writers which go from being relatively good (it's not life changing, but it's a fun story until the beam run) to unbelieavably inept in the last 10 minutes exactly, and the transition is a complete knife cut. I'm sure we'll find out eventually, but I'd agree with the notion that if Bioware hadn't planned this, they'd be smart to pretend that they did. They'd sell a lot more ME franchise additional stuff that way.

[Herra Tohtori]

Reapers are known for their hubris. Harbinger sees the whole Hammer team go down, Shepard is incapacitated, and no one could survive being hit with that beam.


Why would Harbinger hang around when there's a big honking space battle going on and no discernible threat of anyone getting to the Citadel beam any time soon?

[General Battuta]

The Reapers are literally entire civilizations packed into a space cuttlefish machine. I refuse to believe that no one in that entire Harbingeroid civilization has read the evil overlord list or heard the phrase 'make sure he's dead', especially when the survival of the entire Reaper program is on the line.

'The villains were overconfident' is one of the worst cop-outs in writing.

Plus, uh, why would the Reapers be trying to indoctrinate Shep to stop him if they believe Shep is dead and there's no discernible threat of anyone getting to the Citadel beam?  The whole theory makes no sense.

[MatthTheGeek]

Unless indoctrination is something passive or handled by some subroutine of the Reapers. How would they know it's Shepard they are indoctrinating between the millions of creatures they have under indoctrination control ?

[The E]

From what we saw in ME2, indoctrination IS a passive process. Remember the derelict Reaper mission?

[General Battuta]

Well presumably the other millions of creatures don't have oddly specific hallucinations about firing the Crucible after a space kid tells them the purpose of the reapers and then Joker crashing the Normandy into jurassic park

There should be so much processing oomph in one Reaper that they could put together a whole committee to handle each indoctrinated person

e: And the whole theory is built on the idea that the Reapers are specifically trying to convince Shep to do something dumb instead of going with the 'destroy' ending.

[Dilmah G]

In case this hasn't been posted before. (hard to keep track of a thread moving this fast!)

[General Battuta]

That is indeed new.

Good to see this is hitting them hard and that they're listening to feedback. Hope they don't **** up the recovery.

e: I'm gonna call it now, they're going to clear up some of the broad **** around the ending (show that mass relays didn't explode and wipe out all life, for instance) and maybe give some closure to characters, but not patch any of the more annoying plot holes or make your EMS really do anything.