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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
Pulp Space Operas can't be deep?

I guess space-ninjas, anime-ish battles, total disregard for lore and common sense are what makes a good sci-fi?
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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
Pulp Space Operas can't be deep?

I guess space-ninjas, anime-ish battles, total disregard for lore and common sense are what makes a good sci-fi?

Not really, these are all pretty ****ty things, but copy-pasting the ending from Deus Ex or trying really hard to be The Matrix doesn't make good SF either

 

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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
Wait, verified BioWare account on Penny Arcade is making it sound like that was actually a real post

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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
Most outside analysis of the situation inside BioWare at the time of the ending's creation are appearing to hold true. Not really surprising to be honest.
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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
Wait, verified BioWare account on Penny Arcade is making it sound like that was actually a real post
Well, now I'm even more glad I didn't crosspost that at a place I know at least on BW employee (not that guy) frequents.
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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
Wait, verified BioWare account on Penny Arcade is making it sound like that was actually a real post
Well, now I'm even more glad I didn't crosspost that at a place I know at least on BW employee (not that guy) frequents.

It's been posted on BSN, it doesn't really matter.
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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
Pulp Space Operas can't be deep?

I guess space-ninjas, anime-ish battles, total disregard for lore and common sense are what makes a good sci-fi?

Not really, these are all pretty ****ty things, but copy-pasting the ending from Deus Ex or trying really hard to be The Matrix doesn't make good SF either

Well if you're going to rip off the Matrix make the end of ME3 balls to the walls insane like finding out that the Crucible wakes Shepard up from being a Reaper runtime inside a simulated civilization and humanity was actually harvested by the Reapers shortly after they opened the Charon relay or something totally insane :p
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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
Wait, verified BioWare account on Penny Arcade is making it sound like that was actually a real post
Well, now I'm even more glad I didn't crosspost that at a place I know at least on BW employee (not that guy) frequents.

It's been posted on BSN, it doesn't really matter.
If he actually said it, which is a long way from having been conclusively proven, firing him is probably the single worst PR ****up EA could make.
« Last Edit: March 23, 2012, 10:02:33 pm by LordPomposity »

 

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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
I would be more concerned with the future personal relations between Weekes and Mac / Hudson. If I were Weekes.

 

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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
Especially considering Weekes is only one of two writers left from the ME1 writing team.

 

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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
The writing in ME3 doesn't seem bad at all to me.

What it is is it reeks of "lack of dev time" to me. They would rather spend some minutes doing separate VAs to acknowledge past choices rather than actually having past choices changing the world in a concrete manner. I'm still on Tuchanka and I have yet to make the major mission, but the Rachni Queen bit kinda pissed me off. I'm doing a renegade run and my Shep was all like "WTF why are Rachni alive I killed them all" and I could smell development hell from miles away.

And that's just wrong. And you know what? The solution would have been so simple that it pains me. Just scrap the mission altogether, that's all. Less content BUT acknowledgement that your previous choices actually matter, and make standard run (without import) as if Shep spared the Rachni Queen, so newcomers do not "lose content".

The biggest problem in ME3 boils down to the fear by the dev teams of making sure everyone gets every single bit of content, instead of making sure previous choices mattered and changed the world more than a few lines.

 

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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
Not really, these are all pretty ****ty things, but copy-pasting the ending from Deus Ex or trying really hard to be The Matrix doesn't make good SF either

I've just played through and avoided ANY spoilers thus far. This is the first sentence of ME3-related things I read on the internet and DAMN Battuta - those were exactly my thoughts. But still the game was a hell of a ride for me (except for the unbelievable strange ending ^^ )
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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
The biggest problem in ME3 boils down to the fear by the dev teams of making sure everyone gets every single bit of content, instead of making sure previous choices mattered and changed the world more than a few lines.

one of the many lessons Bioware needs to learn from CDProjekt RED
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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
An ingenious statement.

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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
Those videos got far less entertaining when people started treating them as legitimate opinions.

 

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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
They got far less entertaining when they stopped being clever.
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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
If he actually said it, which is a long way from having been conclusively proven, firing him is probably the single worst PR ****up EA could make.

Firing him now, yes. Doesn't mean you can't wait until everything's calmed down and then hand him his walking papers.
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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
I don't know if you guys have been paying attention to the Indoctrination Theory.

Do another play-through after watching this video and this video(bear in mind, especially with the second one, they are replaying the High-Octane Nightmare Fuel scenes from the 2 "good" endings to make points)

You'll see things you didn't or didn't notice the first time.

Adding to that, I'll repeat my new catchphrase that I use when talking about Bioware:

Ladies and Gentlemen, WE'VE BEEN TROLLED!
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
I don't know if you guys have been paying attention to the Indoctrination Theory.

Do another play-through after watching this video and this video(bear in mind, especially with the second one, they are replaying the High-Octane Nightmare Fuel scenes from the 2 "good" endings to make points)

You'll see things you didn't or didn't notice the first time.

Adding to that, I'll repeat my new catchphrase that I use when talking about Bioware:

Ladies and Gentlemen, WE'VE BEEN TROLLED!

I don't know if you have been paying attention to the things coming out of BioWare, but the Indoctrination Theory is a wishful dream invented by fans, constructed out of glitches and unrelated content to explain an ending that is, unfortunately, exactly as it seems.