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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
They've got room for six options on the dialog wheel. They had better add violet, orange, and yellow endings.

 

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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
i'm holding out for the complete ROYGBIV suite

 
Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
After Bioware release orange, yellow, and violet endings and see that players are mad that they can't pick indigo, Bioware will release a cutscene DLC providing even more explanation as to why indigo was not offered as an option.

 

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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
After Bioware release orange, yellow, and violet endings and see that players are mad that they can't pick indigo, Bioware will release a cutscene DLC providing even more explanation as to why indigo was not offered as an option.

itt: an indigo prophecy

 

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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
First, "the change will occur through additional cinematic sequences and epilogue scenes", followed by Casey Hudson's "“We have re-prioritized our post-launch development efforts to provide the fans who want more closure with even more context and clarity to the ending of the game, in a way that will feel more personalized for each player", doesn't really sound like they're actually going to address any issues. It certainly doesn't make the "indoctrination theory" seem plausible at all. What it sounds like to me is that they're going to make a few voice acted cinematics, then code in a system that will check your saves for your choices and decide which ones to play. I could be wrong, of course, but it sounds like they won't be fixing the problem, but rather attempting to tell us why the current endings do make sense after all. And we'll still be stuck with the tri-color nonsensical ending, just with a bit more trimmings on the side.

I for one look forward to what they'll put out. My main complaint about the ending is how disconnected it feels from the rest of the game in terms of it acknowledging your choices; if this fixes that aspect, I am pretty happy. Also, telling us how the current endings make sense and fit into the narrative is a bad thing? I thought the reason why all of the internet had a massive rage was because the endings were not smoothly integrated with the rest of the game?

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Secondly, "coming out this summer" is actually a long time for something they supposedly "planned in advance". If they had planned it in advance they'd be ready by now. "Coming out this summer" means "let's try to do some damage control with the fans, can you guys make the loudest of protestors go away with some DLC whipped up in 2-3 months?"

Where did it say that they planned this exact content package in advance?

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I really hope I end up being proven wrong on this, but this announcement does not sound to me like anything that will actually wash the bitter taste those last 10 minutes leave.

To be honest, while this isn't exactly what I wanted, it is pretty close. And let us not forget that no matter what BW would have done, someone would be crying about it. So, again, I am looking forward to it. I am neither cynical nor egotistical enough to automatically say "This is going to be bad because it's not exactly what I wanted".
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It's never going to be able to wash the taste away; the damage is done.

I'm glad they're doing something but at this point I just hope it all bites them in the ass and they collapse in some spectacular hilarious fashion. The drama post-release has been more emotionally satisfying than the game was.

 

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At least that DLC will be free of charge. That's more than what could be hoped from EA.

And Battuta, I think you can stop hating now. It's bad for you.
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At least that DLC will be free of charge. That's more than what could be hoped from EA.

And Battuta, I think you can stop hating now. It's bad for you.


 

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I'm glad they're doing something but at this point I just hope it all bites them in the ass and they collapse in some spectacular hilarious fashion.
So you want a developer company which has developed many good games (listed below) roll over and die just because they mucked ending of one game?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioware#Games

I'm sorry. But can you please stop being such a drama queen.

 

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So you want a developer company which has developed many good games (listed below) roll over and die just because they mucked ending of one game?

Forgive us, oh noble Fury, but we're kinda tired of seeing developers skate on their mistakes. Change involves lasting consequences.
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There are a ton of games that are utterly ****ty from beginning to end, why don't you folks go bother their developers?

 

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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
Bioware had 1.5 mediocre game releases in a row (counting ME3 only half because it's 99% brilliance, as opposed to DA2, which was a full disappointment), with all the fan outrage that came with it. While I certainly wish that they have drawn the consequences out of that, I am not going to wish them death either.
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There are a ton of games that are utterly ****ty from beginning to end, why don't you folks go bother their developers?

You assume I'm not.
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I'm glad they're doing something but at this point I just hope it all bites them in the ass and they collapse in some spectacular hilarious fashion.
So you want a developer company which has developed many good games (listed below) roll over and die just because they mucked ending of one game?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioware#Games

I'm sorry. But can you please stop being such a drama queen.

It's all been downhill since we heard that the button and the awesome were connected now

Mostly I am motivated by the fact that this would be completely hilarious. But there is a scrap of genuine desire in there to see BioWare's smug corporate culture torn down and rebuilt into something capable of producing the kind of game they like to think they're making. The self-congratulatory circlejerk that the gaming press has formed around BioWare presumably extends within the company's ranks and I would very much like to see them forced to acknowledge that they are peddlers of mid-grade hack stories rather than 'emotionally engaging' masterpieces, producers of safe, derivative fanservice rather than cutting edge auteurs.

 

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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
They didn't say they'd planned this in advance. In fact they pretty much explicitly said it is in response to the fan upset.

I know that. The "indoctrination theory" postulates that they planned it in advance. This sort of blows that out of the water. It would appear that they actually thought that the ending they gave us was good, or at least acceptable.
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This is truly laughable. What they're really saying is "Waaaaaaaaah, don't criticize us!" and "We better get this wrapped up quickly, or we'll lose sales!"

People should be calling out Casey Hudson for being a sack of sheet and whining like a child whenever someone gives him valid criticism, not whining about endings. Because: Because until someone SOMEHOW gets Casey Hudson to stop being such a manchild and accept that he is not very good at this storywriting business, there will never be anything remotely resembling a good ending "DLC".  :yes:

I can understand people distrusting criticism in the past because said criticism was delivered in a overly assholish fashion, but Jesus Christ of Nazareth is Casey whining. Man, even some DeviantArt "artists" don't ***** this hard. At least they don't try to hide the fact hat they're whining.  :nono:

   

 

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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
Also, telling us how the current endings make sense and fit into the narrative is a bad thing? I thought the reason why all of the internet had a massive rage was because the endings were not smoothly integrated with the rest of the game?

It wouldn't be a bad thing if I thought they, or anyone else, could actually make those endings make sense. What I really think they need is a complete rewrite. Let me put it this way; they're adding duct tape to make it "sort of work" when they should be replacing the part. At least imo. But, free DLC, so even though I'm fairly skeptical towards this I'm going to reserve final judgement until I get to play it.
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Bunch of haters. All of y'all.
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I think it has more to do with the feeling that we all have been ripped off more than hate. I bought into the hype they were putting out and purchased the collectors edition and what I got was a grossly unfinished product and it isn't just because of the endings though they are terrible.

 If you compare the length of time it took to complete the single player campaign to the first two installments in the series you would immediately begin to think some thing is wrong. My first couple play through of the first two games took around 50 hours each in comparison to the just over 20 for ME3 and that is with doing all those stupid fetch quest and running around the citadel for hours trying to figure out how to complete them because the quest log was broken and useless compared to previous titles. The fetch quest themselves wouldn't have been all that bad had they been broken up by some really decent sidequest. There were so many missed opportunities to make sidequest to rescue key personnel and technology from behind enemy lines that you can't but feel bioware dropped the ball here. Multilayer is nice but it is so buggy and limited it doesn't make up for the small size of the single player campaign.

The previous two titles had massive amounts of dialogue and that was definitely missing from ME3. I was used to having tons of options in talking to the npc's but in the third installment your lucky if you get 2 options if any at all. Moving the characters around the ship and citadel and having them talking to each other was a nice touch but I can't help but sense this was to cover for the lack of personal interaction missing from the previous titles.

The Tali face reveal was in short just lazy and poorly executed. If you are going to do it at all do it right and add a small bit to the end of the homeworld cutscene where she takes her mask off. An extra 5 seconds of cutscene should not have taken long and there was more than enough wasted effort in cutscene creation for the marketing campaign. Honestly there seemed to be just as many unused cutscenes created for marketing as there was in the entire game. I would have rather kept the mystery of what she looked like under that suit than to see a doctored up stock photo crammed in the last second.

Mission design was actually fairly well executed and ME3 does contain some of the best missions in the series. The Krogan homeworld missions were particularly good but this level of quality seems to just drop off in the end. It's almost like they hired a completely different development team and rushed them to complete the retake Earth mission. There is no final confrontation like in the first two games either, instead the final battle is with a midlevel enemy introduced early on in the game. I was looking forward to finally being able to face Harbringer and giving him the collective ass kicking he deserved for hounding and annoying me all through out ME2 but the only glimpse of him we get is as a piece of backround for the run to a magical beam of light. Again another missed opportunity by Bioware to meaningfully tie up loose ends in the final moments of game play.

As for the endings themselves, enough has been said already and I don't wish to get into it any more than to say that they were rushed and poorly executed. The star child doesn't belong and feels badly out of place, the lack of an option to question him or tell him to go hell cheapens the experience even more.

Over all the game does have its moments but in the end I can't help but feel that it needed almost another year of development time to truly get it right and end Shepard's story properly. What we got was a incomplete and rushed into production product to satisfy EA's need to make the almighty dollar.
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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
I'm glad they're doing something but at this point I just hope it all bites them in the ass and they collapse in some spectacular hilarious fashion. The drama post-release has been more emotionally satisfying than the game was.

Maybe for you. For me the drama was nothing but irritating.
I for one hope the retake movement collapses in some hillarious fashion. And also EA.
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