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Offline samiam

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Re: Solider goes around shooting random people in Afghanistan for no apparent reason
The idea that you don't want to address my post.

Or, penis.

 

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Re: Solider goes around shooting random people in Afghanistan for no apparent reason
You seem to really not want to say anything about how multiple soldiers were seen involved. There could be more than one person. How big of a conspiracy it is, I don't know. It might just be a unit of Green Berets who felt like killing people. But it doesn't seem like a lone crazy. Either that or Karzai is lying.
The current version tells of one gunman. Let's stick to that. Testimony of a terrified 15 years old boy doesn't say much, even if he did really say that. He could be used to the fact soldiers always travel in groups, so when he saw one, he thought there are more behind him. Considering that he survived, he most likely hid well shortly after seeing the soldier. Remember that the whole incident must have scared the living daylights out of him, so I'd hardly consider him a credible witness.

Karzai may be lying, but I don't think it's the case. The situation is bad enough, I don't think he'd see need to worsen it (and risk being exposed as a liar). He's most likely honestly believing that boy, but as I said, his testimony might not be very credible.

Of course, there's a chance a bunch of soldiers felt like killing some Afghanis for some wicked reason. Since I don't think they could all have PTSD manifest like this (though depending on the size of the group, it's not impossible), that'd make them a particularly nasty kind of murderers. And they'd have to be threated as such. Though I sincerely hope it's not the case.

 

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If it was a small group of people acting on their own it'd make little sense since it would mean certain imprisonment. Probably the last we'll hear of that theory.

We'll see how the trial goes, though, it'll be fun with the Afghans and the US haggling over jurisdiction.

As a sidenote, the insanity defense has a really low success rate, especially if one hasn't already been diagnosed with some disorder.

 

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samiam, how do you know it wasn't an Afghani pretending to be a US soldier, and used him as a scapegoat! Or Iran, maybe it was an Iranian!

(This is why conspiracy theories are generally b.s. when there's a better explanation.)

 

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Well it'd be pretty obvious when the guy was captured if he was Afghani, so probably not.

I guess there is a precedent for this kind of stuff, My Lai. At least this time it didn't get far.

Some more stuff since like NGT1MR noted I'm so OBSESSED with this thread.

http://www.npr.org/2012/03/12/148456123/afghan-shooting-leaves-many-unanswered-questions

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The sergeant suspected in the shootings Sunday deployed from the Joint Base Lewis-McChord in Washington state, one of the largest bases in the U.S. The Lewis-McChord installation has become a lightning rod for criticism about military assistance for soldiers transitioning from war zones.

Last year, Lewis-McChord reported a base record of 12 suicides, according to the AP. Four Lewis-McChord soldiers were convicted in one of the worst incidents in the war — the 2010 killing of three Afghan civilians for sport, which occurred in the same region.

The attacks Sunday come after U.S. troops last month burned copies of the Quran, apparently inadvertently. In another recent incident that drew widespread attention, American Marines were captured on video urinating on the corpses of militants. The Quran-burning led to deadly protests.

All of these episodes could hamper U.S. efforts to train Afghan forces and arrange peace talks with the Taliban as part of the American plan to wind down its role in Afghanistan after more than a decade of war.

So looks like this isn't a conspiracy after all, but rather an everyday occurrence in the Quentin Tarantino movie that is Afghanistan.

 

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Re: Solider goes around shooting random people in Afghanistan for no apparent reason
You seem to really not want to say anything about how multiple soldiers were seen involved. There could be more than one person. How big of a conspiracy it is, I don't know. It might just be a unit of Green Berets who felt like killing people. But it doesn't seem like a lone crazy. Either that or Karzai is lying.

You raise a good point. But why would Green Berets just go around shooting civilians? Maybe the civilians were actually insurgents and the Green Berets were fed up with military bureaucracy and decided to take things into their own hands. They've probably got some real strong leader behind them, able to keep his men in line. My best guess is that the major was just a government scapegoat. Perhaps the GBs have a renegade base somewhere in the depths of the afghan mountains where they mount barbaric attacks against insurgent groups. Who knows, maybe they're behind all of the "friendly fire" incidents with Pakistan? Anyway, the US military is probably going to send some SOC assassin to find that base and kill their leader; he'll probably have to hitch a ride with supply trucks and the US military will just use all of the increased insurgent activity to cover up the assassination. Of course, by now everyone has probably gone insane at the renegade camp and the rogue GB leader will probably just manage to capture the assassin. I'd be willing to bet that with how crazy things are it's just a ploy to have the assassin give the GB leader a warrior's death. Then The End. Definitely. This has to be what's happening.

 

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Did you ever see the movie, "Apocalypse Now?" Well guess what? That actually happened!

 

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Re: Solider goes around shooting random people in Afghanistan for no apparent reason
Cabin Fever. Stick 2 armed groups who each assume the worst of the others' motives in close proximity for long enough and people will snap, even people as highly trained as soldiers.

Especially when you consider that when people were killed over the burning of a Koran, I think a lot of soldiers felt that the apology over the burning took precedence over protecting the lives of the people being killed. I think a lot of the people out there are disillusioned and angry and tired of having the worst assumed of them, from either side. This testimony from one person that multiple soldiers were involved automatically being considered valid despite zero supporting evidence is an example of how that works.

  

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Did you ever see the movie, "Apocalypse Now?" Well guess what? That actually happened!

Heart of Darkness
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Did you ever see the movie, "Apocalypse Now?" Well guess what? That actually happened!

Heart of Darkness

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Re: Solider goes around shooting random people in Afghanistan for no apparent reason
Uh, neither Heart of Darkness nor Apocalypse now are non-fictional accounts, or indeed, even grounded heavily in true events.  The novella is closest, and it's still just loosely-based on the experiences the author had in Africa...
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I'm both inclined towards said non-com snapping, and HEAVILY disappointed with the US-Army for letting it happen. I've got friends out there, may well more than likely be getting out there later this year myself too. The last thing i need is someone kicking the f**king ees nest beforehand.
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Uh, neither Heart of Darkness nor Apocalypse now are non-fictional accounts, or indeed, even grounded heavily in true events.  The novella is closest, and it's still just loosely-based on the experiences the author had in Africa...

You mean I wrote that post as a sly way of implying all of samiam's conspiracy theory ideas were completely unrealistic?  :eek:

 

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Re: Solider goes around shooting random people in Afghanistan for no apparent reason
Uh, neither Heart of Darkness nor Apocalypse now are non-fictional accounts, or indeed, even grounded heavily in true events.  The novella is closest, and it's still just loosely-based on the experiences the author had in Africa...

You mean I wrote that post as a sly way of implying all of samiam's conspiracy theory ideas were completely unrealistic?  :eek:

I was actually referring to samiam's claim that Apocalypse Now's events actually happened, not your post.
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Re: Solider goes around shooting random people in Afghanistan for no apparent reason
 :confused: I thought he was saying 'actually happened' as in the actually happened in a movie. I guess it kind of nullifies my post's effect if he thinks it's plausible IRL.

 

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I was simply being snobby and pointing out what Kubrick's film was based on, not implying it was based on actual events. :P
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That would be the best solution, but somebody should stick around to ensure he gets a psych evaluation and a fair, civilized trial. If done properly (ha ha) this could be a milestone in American-Afghani relations.

I think the milestone in American-Afghani relations was reached in 2001 and a few tens of thousands of dead ago
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Re: Solider goes around shooting random people in Afghanistan for no apparent reason
:confused: I thought he was saying 'actually happened' as in the actually happened in a movie. I guess it kind of nullifies my post's effect if he thinks it's plausible IRL.

I don't know.  There were multiple failures to use the sarcastica font :P
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Re: Solider goes around shooting random people in Afghanistan for no apparent reason
:confused: I thought he was saying 'actually happened' as in the actually happened in a movie. I guess it kind of nullifies my post's effect if he thinks it's plausible IRL.

Well, he/she was pretty emotionally invested in the CIA conspiracy theory, don't think we can rule it out.

Or the next post will be "lol i trol u", either way.
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Women never come up with CIA conspiracy theories. Only neckbeards like me.