[ShadowWolf_IH]

I disagree with the deletion of any post that isn't clearly spam.  Let me give my reasoning.

This is the internet and as such allows us to behave in ways that we wouldn't if we were face to face.  What this means to me is that I have time to think before hitting "post".  This allows me to pretty much hide my true nature, as I am truly an ***hole. 

For other people it gives what i like to call "Broadband Balls."  It is very easy to be courageous when the worst that will happen is data flowing across your screen.

For yet others, it brings a false sense of superiority.

Couple any of these with the ability to negate that which we don't like, and you are asking for trouble.  It can (read as will) start more crap than it solves, and as has been noted, HLP is a small community.  We don't need more crap.

Let's not even bring in the fact that Mod leads do change, and each brings a different tolerance and style...consistency gets thrown out the window. 

Now for my basic opinion. Most people at HLP need to just get some thicker skin and grow the f**k up.

[General Battuta]

I might almost be able to agree with the 'never delete posts' principle, but sometimes I read the Wings of Dawn subforum

[MatthTheGeek]

Wings of Dawn subforum whose mod knows how to use the split function and has the brain to do so before randomly deleting. You keeping bringing back WoD but we both know it is a completely different situation from WCS.

[ShadowWolf_IH]

No one forces any of us to read anything on here.  Don't like it don't read it.  I stay out of Hard Light ( still can't call it by it's other name) because 90% of what I see in there is not of interest, or is just political/religeous/antipolitical/antireligous crap. 

[General Battuta]

No one forces any of us to read anything on here.  Don't like it don't read it.  I stay out of Hard Light ( still can't call it by it's other name) because 90% of what I see in there is not of interest, or is just political/religeous/antipolitical/antireligous crap.

How exactly is the project leader of Wings of Dawn supposed to avoid reading the Wings of Dawn subforum that he is moderator of

Personally, I am grateful I can read the Wings of Dawn subforum, full of great content about a great project, without having to filter through plans on how to best kidnap and rape its characters

[ShadowWolf_IH]

Project leaders have to read it.  Grateful for WoD is great...although now I am thoroghly confused by your pervious statement.

[General Battuta]

Project leaders have to read it.  Grateful for WoD is great...although now I am thoroghly confused by your pervious statement.

Indeed, project leaders do indeed have to read it. Why do you think said project leader should not have the right - after many warnings, splits, and locks - to delete posts concerning plans on how best to abduct and rape his main characters?

[SypheDMar]

... without having to filter through plans on how to best kidnap and rape its characters

Wait... There's no way that's no spam. But that's beside the point. How can we condemn illegal download and then condone kidnapping and rape?

And I have to agree with Matt, Fury, Goober, BlackWolf, and ShadowWolf, or I have to disagree with Battuta.

EDIT: Just to clarify, I believe that topics about kidnapping and rape (even on WoD) should not be allowed and are potentially spam.

[ShadowWolf_IH]

I could go for moderators being able to gag in the forum that they moderate.  I personally would never use it, but a three day gag is preferable to deletion.  They keep it up, admin SHOULD step in at that point.

Syph this isn't an agree with us or with them...I can see valid points on both sides.



Sorry for the triple post, i meant to hit modify.....can an admin delete the first two?  That my friends...is irony. 

[LordPomposity]

I don't think anybody loses out if we have globally consistent moderation policies, but amend them such that kidnapping-and-rape schemes are deleted.

[jg18]

Indeed, project leaders do indeed have to read it. Why do you think said project leader should not have the right - after many warnings, splits, and locks - to delete posts concerning plans on how best to abduct and rape his main characters?

...oh. I didn't know about that.

I could go for moderators being able to gag in the forum that they moderate.  I personally would never use it, but a three day gag is preferable to deletion.  They keep it up, admin SHOULD step in at that point.

That's what I was thinking of. Since the issue of split-locking not being enough doesn't seem to come up that often (I don't think), a moderator might not need to have that power themselves but could, say, ask an admin to do it. If the offending poster doesn't take the hint after getting a few days off from posting in the forum in question, you could step up the duration of the gag until it becomes permanent. Then, if anyone ever wonders why that poster is banned from posting in that forum, you can point to the offending posts and say, "That's why."

[ShadowWolf_IH]

1, 3, 5, perm...i like that

[Mongoose]

* Mongoose totally abuses power and deletes two of ShadowWolf's posts

[Spoon]

* Mongoose totally abuses power and deletes two of ShadowWolf's posts

Consider yourself reported to the admins, mister!

[ShadowWolf_IH]

I still laugh at the irony.

[karajorma]

I should point out that Tolwyn did delete his own post which was the one Matth was answering because he obviously thought it was more inflammatory than it needed to be.

Of course HLP will never accept that someone wants to avoid having a confrontation. We've got to have multi-page drama over everything.

[jg18]

Oh, yeah, I forgot about that aspect. Well, we've still covered some useful ground in this thread, such as
- whether deleting posts is ever appropriate
- whether moderators should be able to set their own rules for their subforum
- how a moderator might handle cases of people repeatedly making highly inappropriate/offensive off-topic posts in their subforum

And now we can add another: how a moderator might handle the case of words that they realize they shouldn't have posted but that someone has already replied to. One option is to just delete the offending post and all replies to it, as we've seen. Other options include, for example, adding a closing post of your own (e.g., "Never mind. Let's not take things this direction.") and then split-locking the offending post, all replies to it, and the one you just added.

[karajorma]

I tend to disagree with locking a thread I've been involved in with after posting anything to do with the thread. It's too much like trying to have the last word for my liking. But yeah, saying something like that is sometimes the best option.

[jg18]

In the solution I proposed, the moderator is ensuring that they have the last word, but it's to make the best possible ending of a line of conversation that can't possibly end well.

[Zacam]

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