[MatthTheGeek]

I come to report an unearned warning and double post deletion from the WCS board.

Original post was at follows :

You guys are familiar with the term feature creep, do you? Probably not.

You realize you're talking to senior members and team leaders, right ? They are perfectly familiar with the term, thank you very much. They are also perfectly familiar with how a modding team works.

EDIT: oh, and by the way, you might want to stop deleting my posts just because I disagree with you. Just sayin'

The warning said :

You have received a warning for insulting other users and/or staff members

Unless someone can point out where I was insulting, I request the warning to be removed, the post to be restored and the moderator to be sanctionned.

Thank you for your attention.

EDIT: does this belongs here or in Site Feedback ? Feel free to move it if necessary.

EDIT2: It seems the situation is evolving. Two more posts were deleted, the one I partially quoted from Tolwyn and one from Karajorma that was on the same tangent than mine. The thread in question is Spoon's WCS review. I think someone is trying to hide their tracks.

[Zacam]

WCS Is free to moderate posts within their Board as they see fit.

Maybe be less combative in your approach with them would be more helpful. Because it does NOT aid the community in any way when they decide they don't want to be a part of it anymore because of the behaviours of others.

[MatthTheGeek]

How do you justify deleting half a thread without further notice ? That's not moderation, that's vandalism.

[karajorma]

Well I don't give a stuff about my reply. So basically you're the only one complaining.

[mjn.mixael]

So I read the first post and thought about the general developmental relationship with WCS and SCP. Then I thought about how WCS is a big attention grabber for HLP. I concluded that no one would do anything about the terrible moderation if only to keep WCS at HLP.

Then I read the rest of this thread. Yup.

But meh, WCS already pushed me away thanks to their "we are better than you attitude".. so blah..

[Mongoose]

I know that there has been some contention between both teams in the past, but what I don't see is how that affects inappropriate behavior in the here and now.  MatthTheGeek, I've already seen you make a couple of flat-out inflammatory remarks in that folder, the sorts of comments that Tolwyn and the rest of the team frankly shouldn't have to deal with.  Tolwyn may have been a bit over-zealous in handling that thread, but I'm honestly willing to let that slide myself, given how your participation in previous threads has gone.  If you're going to walk around with a chip on your shoulder, don't get all offended when someone comes up and knocks it off.

[The E]

That doesn't change the fact that policy at HLP has been to not delete posts except for outright spam.

[Jeff Vader]

That doesn't change the fact that policy at HLP has been to not delete posts except for outright spam.

I was just about to say this. Does this mean that we can start deleting posts we don't particularly like?

[mjn.mixael]

That doesn't change the fact that policy at HLP has been to not delete posts except for outright spam.

I was just about to say this. Does this mean that we can start deleting posts we don't particularly like?

 

YES! There are some threads in the FSU board that need equal treatment.. I'm a moderator over there...

[MatthTheGeek]

Too bad I only have moderator powers in the HWBP board, I would have helped you in the noble task of cleaning the FSU board of the rampant stupidity that crawled in some of its threads

[Zacam]

How, when and where deletions (if they are to occur) on a general board level are one thing. So far as I know however, that is not a set in stone that all other sub forums need to abide by, nor do I see it written anywhere as such. Especially since users -are- capable (somehow in some way) of being able to remove their own posts. (currently under discussion)

It's more a disruptive issue balance than anything else. We don't (as a general rule) allow for it willy nilly. But in the specific circumstances raised here, the number is insignificant to the reason. (also currently under discussion)

And no, that does not mean that moderators are free to exercise carte blanche just because they feel like it. I highly urge you not to try. (not up for discussion)

[mjn.mixael]

ok, so I woke up feeling like crap and that was the state of my previous posts in this thread... here's my civil addition to this topic since the issue seems to be under discussion with the admins.

I get that they may have freedom to moderate as they see fit. Deleting posts, though, is a big action. I don't want to argue this specific case, but I do want to bring this under consideration...

Based on this I should have freedom to delete posts on the BtA board as I see fit. What about the FSPort board? That's still mostly a private project. Clearly you think post deletion on FSU is not an option. So where is the line drawn? Can posts be deleted based on previous posts from that person? Or can posts only be deleted based on it's own content? For better or worse, this is the gray area that this thread has opened up. It probably needs to be clearly addressed for the future.

For the record too, you will likely not ever see me delete posts unless it's spam. Even on the BtA board. If people have a problem with my mod, that doesn't give me the right to selectively hide their posts from view.

[Qent]

In general, I think mjn's questions need answering; however, do you think that stopping WCS from deleting posts will solve anything? It is a symptom of a bigger problem. You really need to hug and make up instead of going over their heads.

[General Battuta]

Look, everyone with any authority on HLP is a bad moderator. This is a small community, there's a very small talent pool to draw from, and basically everyone who has ever held the job is completely unsuited to the task, whether because they don't give a **** or they're just slightly autistic. This is not a problem unique to HLP! BioWare, for example, has horrible moderators on their forums, and they're a large for-profit corporation that depends on good relations with its fanbase. Moderation is hard and requires a certain sense of humor, a certain blitheness, a certain je ne sais quoi

The problem is compounded because some of the people involved have been around forever (goob, kara) and some are comparatively new (zacam) which creates odd discrepancies in style

The question needs to be how to strike a balance between our bad posters and our bad moderators. The answer is to make swashmebuckle and redsniper supreme admins. This should handle everything pretty well

aaaaalll that said

WCS should probably be allowed to moderate their subforum however they please. It's their subforum, after all! Same goes for individual projects like BtA. Delete, edit, abuse, do as you please so long as the consequences are confined to your subforum. Seems only reasonable. I guess HLP, uh, higher-ups could step in if a subforum leader turned out to be a crazy racist or something, but otherwise, it's their subforum~~~!

[NGTM-1R]

Spoon's full review still hasn't been addressed by the team at all, which is a bizarre occurrence. I don't believe I've ever seen a creator or group thereof outright fail to comment upon criticism of their work on this site. The responses have run the range from the gracious to the childish, but deafening silence is new.

I guess what I'm trying to say here is that the WCS forum is weird. The fact they use this site for hosting but maintain offsite forums they prefer to refer people to when asked questions is also pretty weird.

[General Battuta]

I'm totally okay with them never replying to that review. I think that's almost always the correct decision for professional creatives interacting with critics: read the review, take away as much as you can, don't respond. This lets both sides do their jobs better.

[Jeff Vader]

basically everyone who has ever held the job is completely unsuited to the task, whether because they don't give a **** or they're just slightly autistic

Put me down for one of each.

[The E]

But not even acknowledging that the criticism exists is imho not exactly good form.

[Qent]

Delete, edit, abuse, do as you please so long as the consequences are confined to your subforum.

Just wondering: is Matt's warning confined to the WCS subforum? I thought they had to be global.

EDIT: Personally I appreciate the policy of deleting only spam, and I would prefer if it were enforced throughout HLP. Merge/lock/splits I'd say do whatever.

[General Battuta]

Delete, edit, abuse, do as you please so long as the consequences are confined to your subforum.

Just wondering: is Matt's warning confined to the WCS subforum? I thought they had to be global.

If warnings are global they should not be handed out without due process.