General note to Battuta: You seem to bring on the women's rights quite a bit, but consider the medium too. I'm a bit drawn between whether talk about gender equality makes things worse or better - especially when men are pushing women rights. The latest idiocy here was to suggest a lawfully mandated quota of women that should sit in the board of directors in any company - this, though, came from a woman minister. That does not help gender equality. But each country in its own way, there are predators putting stuff in drinks here as well, but how about just getting women drunk? That seems to be a rather accepted method in the bar. I do recall seeing some mentions of women putting some love potion or viagra to the cups of men as well. Should that be accepted then?
Whether this is relevant to topic you need to decide yourself, but I thought I should mention a couple of incidents that happened in real life. I occasionally get comments from women that I'm really different sort of person they are used to (insert the bent fork image here); i.e. nothing works the way they think it would. Due to sports I did, I got somewhat proficient in doing massages - the real massages - and because this was part of the art I was practicing, doing that to both men and women became a second nature (after ten years) so that I really do not think about anything else. Well, cue the girlfriend and her house at twelve o'clock, I usually left for home after doing this massage since she was practicing another art and got sore muscles as well. That wasn't actually well received after a couple of times, I think I was supposed to go further, but since I never saw any signs of approval, I didn't.
I do know a woman in another city at whose house I occasionally overnight. She only has one bed, but again I have just gone there to sleep. Last time I got the feeling she actually wanted something to happen, but since no signs of approval, nothing happens. Some women appear really passive in relationships to me, and I'm probably a sort of person with whom that simply does not work. But it tends to get them angry if I don't take some kind of "Me strong man, me do what me want" -attitude, which I detest.
Then you get the usual bar pick-ups, but this time around it is women trying to pick me up. Most of the time I find it flat out irritating since they are often very drunk, and when irritated, I can get a rather sharp tongue. I recall saying "Why do you think I would find you attractive?" once, which probably crashed the poor woman's self esteem for some time. But irritating is still irritating. I usually don't visit bars much due to the fact I do not get to know women that would interest me there. The surrounding just does not allow for a good casual talk. At least for me, hobbies have been a far more better place to meet people.
There have been several occasions when gays have tried to pick me up too. It is said they are supposed to handle relationships better, I say bull****, they are just like the rest of us. Somebody once squeezed my ass from behind, after which my elbow almost met his nose (this happens in around 0.2 seconds). Instead I stopped the motion, and wished him good evening, but seeing my facial expression probably told him what I was thinking - deducting from the way his expression changed. I did not see that person in the bar after that.
Some of you might recall I have been doing street dancing for something like 15 years. When I do that in a bar, a flock of women tends to surround me there, and occasionally a 18 to 20 year old girl touches my privates while dancing. Well, I don't find women doing that repulsive, but the point is that they do that as well. I don't react to that either. If she wants to talk to me she can do it any time she wants, but that usually does not happen. Not my problem then.
Once I also had a discussion with a girl who was very keen on being open minded, due to her religion. What I found absurd then was that any even slightly sex related topic is immediate a no go if only us were talking. But she did not have any objections on hearing joking about visiting whore houses from the men of her of religious group. She actually seemed to be laughing. Yeah, I haven't seen her after she mentioned that she was doing a feast, and since I have done some amount of chi gong, I immediately asked does the prohibition of all sex for a month change the psyche (mine did - radically). I probably asked a question I shouldn't have asked, but oh well, she was supposed to be from an open minded religion and there should be no harm in asking about that.
Figure out your local boy band - the one teenage girls adore - and go see their concert. Are the girls who get to the backstage really 18? This is a common topic for the bouncers and security, and they seem to have come to a conclusion that as long as both participants want to do it, they don't stop it, despite one of the partners being likely less than 18.
What I want to say with all this is that there are all sorts of people that like or do not like all things, and people learn from what happened in the past. I sort of understand drunken stupidity in the college time since the case is really not really that clear cut to me - these things can easily happen when men misinterprete signals and compare it to the "what happened before" -section. But I draw the line to the point where it becomes planned and systematic like sharing tips on what sort of stuff to put in the cups. Childhood abuse I don't tolerate at all.
