[MP-Ryan]

As for being Ayn Rand... not sure if compliment... or insult...

Being called Ayn Rand is in no way, shape, or form, a compliment.

[The E]

EIN VOLK, EIN REICH, AYN RAND

[Mikes]

There is one article involving Ayn Rand that is very much worth reading: http://www.gq.com/entertainment/books/200911/ayn-rand-dick-books-fountainhead?printable=true

[deathfun]

There is one article involving Ayn Rand that is very much worth reading: http://www.gq.com/entertainment/books/200911/ayn-rand-dick-books-fountainhead?printable=true

Honestly, I didn't know who Ayn Rand was
But that still doesn't mean this sarcastic article is any less hilarious

Also, pertaining to the topic at hand:
From the article itself!

Make it go away, he thinks. The metallurgist protagonists. The operatic rapes heralded by whips and rock drills. The pirates with cat-coughing-up-hairball names like Ragnar Danneskjöld. Please, God.

EDIT:

Also, on the subject of trigger effects... If someone was raped, any number of innocuous words, phrases, actions, could trigger the memories and instantly put you in the spotlight. Sure rape beelines it, but it's not like it'll be any different if someone said "John" who turned out to be the name of the person who raped said person. One can never win in those situations unless they already know about it

This response came to me after a large amount of scotch

[Scotty]

While the triggers may be numerous, the word rape is by far the most likely to be a universal one, and removing even a single mine from a ready-made minefield in your vocabulary is nothing but beneficial.  Especially since this entire thread is about why using it in the vast majority of contexts that aren't the discussion of the actual act is not a good thing.

[General Battuta]

That's a pretty lousy argument. People who are at risk for triggers are capable of empathy. They're going to understand if someone says 'John'. But if you go around saying 'wow I just got raped in Halo' not only are you triggering but you look like someone who doesn't care about what happened to them and doesn't put any thought into being careful about it.

[deathfun]

That's a pretty lousy argument. People who are at risk for triggers are capable of empathy. They're going to understand if someone says 'John'. But if you go around saying 'wow I just got raped in Halo' not only are you triggering but you look like someone who doesn't care about what happened to them and doesn't put any thought into being careful about it.

If I don't know, I don't care. I'm not going to go around assuming everyone has been raped and completely exclude the word in a conversation I'd generally only have with people I played the game with. If someone overhears it, not my problem unless they make it my problem.

And considering the chances are more than likely them overhearing it via the internet... I won't actually have to deal with it

You're also assuming what they're going to think. For all you know, it could be along the same lines of understanding (considering the context) if you simply said John. Hell, John could send them into a frenzy on it's own. Just how rational is someone who's been emotionally and physically broken? Not very.

[FireSpawn]

Is this a second wind in the discussion, or just a loop back?
Meh! Doesn't matter, this is intresting.

[General Battuta]

Unless somebody else responds to his posts I just leave him on ignore, since I assume he's just repeating the same points and probably implying that rape victims are broken toys who can't think or feel correctly. He's already explained that he's committed to being an asshole who doesn't care about others, presumably because he's depressed and lonely.

Discussions about this issue are interesting, but discussing the nuances of being a bad person isn't. After a certain point watching someone dig a hole stops being fun and just starts being a little tragic.

[Nuke]

it just occurred to me that this thread is entirely one sided. seems everyone is trying to discuss the issue from the outside looking in. this discussion needs input from actual rape victims.

[karajorma]

Who says it doesn't already have some?

I doubt anyone who was actually raped would admit it on this thread.

[General Battuta]

Definitely. That kind of admission generally leads to 'how', 'who', 'when' - in the best case. Worse case it turns into 'why didn't you', 'you should've', and, maybe, the edge of that nasty omnipresent implication 'you deserved it'.

Not to mention being treated like you're made of glass for the rest of ever.

[Nuke]

those are valid points. i just dont want to create a situation where people decide what is best for a group of people without any input from that group. its like a bunch of white people deciding what is offensive black people, without knowing or consulting any black people. surely such a decision would be found offensive to blacks, even if the white group had a pro civil rights agenda, because they had no say. there was also the thing with victorian era side show freaks. certain organizations wanted to shut down the side shows because they found the displays demeaning to the deformed individuals. of course nobody consulted the freaks on the issue, and for them it was a major source of income, and so they ended up counter protesting the issue. i dont want to create a situation where we deicide how to treat rape survivors, without them having any say in how they want to be treated.

[Black Wolf]

Not to mention being treated like you're made of glass for the rest of ever.

Isn't that kind of what this whole thread is about, though?

[General Battuta]

Not to mention being treated like you're made of glass for the rest of ever.

Isn't that kind of what this whole thread is about, though?

Nope.

e: I guess, if this isn't obvious enough: the fact that people are able to tolerate, shrug off, or even completely not give a **** about an issue does not render the issue immaterial; if black people in America were incredibly thick-skinned about racism (and they are), racism would still be a problem. And the issue here is not simply rape victims' discomfort and pain, it's the entire culture of ignorance, trivialization, and whitewashing that surrounds rape.

[deathfun]

FYI Racism isn't exclusive to blacks
And since I'm already being ignored, I may as well say that when you've already dug yourself so deep, the only option is to continue digging deeper
Also to always go into an argument knowing you're wrong, stupid and insignificant. Makes it much easier

Also, interesting read

    I don’t know if rape jokes encourage rape culture. I don’t care. You still shouldn’t tell them.

    Statistically, if you have told a rape joke to a group of more than five people, one of the people you told it to was a rape survivor, possibly of multiple rapes. They will not necessarily disclose this to you; rape apologism is endemic in society and most rape survivors are cautious about whom they tell. Some may even be too ashamed of their rape to admit it to anyone, or because of rape-minimizing narratives like “men can’t be raped” and “I consented to oral, so I couldn’t have been raped” may not admit it even to themselves. The fact remains: if you’ve told dozens of rape jokes in your life, then you have almost certainly told a joke that minimizes or trivializes rape in front of a survivor.

    And if you put as your Facebook status “I totally raped at Halo today” for your two hundred Facebook friends to see, statistically, you have just reminded thirty-three people of one of the worst experiences of their entire lives.

    To describe how well you did at a video game.

    Good job!

Sidenote: If I ever do get raped, I'll be sure not to be a hypocrite and continue the same thought process regardless. That's a serious comment about my mentality, not a slash at anyone

[Mikes]

Sidenote: If I ever do get raped, I'll be sure not to be a hypocrite and continue the same thought process regardless. That's a serious comment about my mentality, not a slash at anyone

If you ever did get raped you would never think or talk like that again.
Let's hope you won't. It's not something anyone should wish on anyone else for whatever reason.

It's easy to say that you won't care if bad things happen to you ... if they never happened to you.
That's pure juvenile bravado. A lack of experience. A lack of forethought. A lack of actually having to deal with traumatic experiences or with people who had them.
It's easy to talk brave talk about hypothetical events that you never had to endure. People usually stop that kind of talk after they grow up.

You too will realize at some point that traumatic experiences change people no matter what they want or thought before it happened to them.
Part of that is what makes it so tragic... as when people can not be anymore who they want to be that triggers all sorts of feelings of inadequacy on top of everything else.

Seriously...  take a minute to reflect on the stuff you are actually saying. 
This is just an incredibly sad display of a lack of understanding and lack of empathy for no discernible reason whatsoever.


This comic isn't about rape, but cancer... but maybe it will make you understand what a traumatic event means to someone who has to live with it: http://xkcd.com/1048/


P.S.: The tragedy surrounding http://xkcd.com/ 's creator and his fiance  propably deserves it's own thread.... I've been following his comics for years... and it's just sad to see that happen to them.

[Grizzly]

As an off-topic aside, I linked to this thread on Rock Paper Shotgun. The result is another quite interesting discussion[/quote].

[NGTM-1R]

This was an interesting thread until Mikes had to pontificate.

[deathfun]

If you ever did get raped you would never think or talk like that again.
Let's hope you won't. It's not something anyone should wish on anyone else for whatever reason.

It's easy to say that you won't care if bad things happen to you ... if they never happened to you.
That's pure juvenile bravado. A lack of experience. A lack of forethought. A lack of actually having to deal with traumatic experiences or with people who had them.
It's easy to talk brave talk about hypothetical events that you never had to endure. People usually stop that kind of talk after they grow up.

I'm basing hypothetical off of precedence which I don't care to elaborate
That's forethought, and regardless of the outcome, I refuse to allow myself to be a hypocrite in that manner.



By the way Josh, that pretty much is an abbreviation of this entire thread in two pages