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Offline Dragon

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Re: Lateral afterburners
Regarding nomenclature, remember that rifles went by "rifled musket" for quite some time. Or that despite the floppy being retired, "save" buttons still have a picture of one.
People prefer applying old names to new things, so calling it an "afterburner" is perfectly logical, if technically inaccurate.

 

Offline Legate Damar

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Re: Lateral afterburners
Space afterburners =/= aircraft afterburners.

Assuming that FS2 ships use some type of plasma exhaust (which given that fusion reactors are alluded to, it is more than likely that this is the case), then all you really need for afterburners is to shoot MORE PLASMA through the engine, or perhaps heat the plasma hotter to eject it faster - both of which can be done from a dedicated reserve of charged plasma or a giant capacitor bank. That explains the little afterburner bar. When the plasma accumulators/capacitors are empty, you just need to recharge them. The on-board reactor takes care of that.

Chemical-burning rocket afterburners wouldn't function like this in the slightest.

If there are engines on the front/sides/top/bottom of the ships to maneuver and steer, then there is no real reason that lateral or reverse 'afterburners' are impractical. Calling it 'afterburner' is a little bit of a nomenclature error methinks, if they really are plasma thrusters - a more proper term would be 'overload' or 'overcharge'. It is very obvious that afterburners make things go faster, which is most likely why volition called it afterburner. It's instantly familiar to everyone.

My Singularity mod features lateral thrust and reverse thrust at half normal forward speed - because those thrusters are smaller. Forward is the obvious direction for afterburners. Backwards isn't much of a stretch. Full slide afterburners would require some pretty awesome maneuvering jets though. Although this part is really just personal preference for some semblance of realism along with the rule of cool.

When I said afterburners I just used the term the game calls them that everyone is familiar with.

In-universe, the most advanced/manueverable ships in my mod just have one rear-mounted engine and no thrusters anywhere else.

Instead, they maneuver using something called GIDF (Gravitational Inertia Distortion Field).

This is how it works (Warning: Technobabble)



The GIDF projects a graviton field around the ship, which can be shifted at the speed of light to redistribute the craft's inertia and center of mass anywhere in the field, allowing it to change direction and speed near instantly.

The lateral "afterburners" I'm talking about are not any kind of thruster, jet, or engine, but the effect of shifting a high amount of inertia to the side with the GIDF.

 

Offline Thaeris

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Re: Lateral afterburners
I want to take minor pot-shots at your technobabble, because it's also for great justice:

Inertia... you need to be careful when using the term, but it's alright in this instance. The center of mass, however, unless you're butchering the ship from the inside out, will change very little unless the shape of the ship changes or you're shifting the consumables. The "grav-drive" should do nothing but project a new acceleration vector, thus shifting the force vector on the ship, which thus changes its direction (thus altering the inertia of the vessel ;) ) and velocity in that direction. Ideally it also maintains an ideal amount of internal force on and in the vessel, allowing the crew and the ship to survive truly rigorous maneuvers.
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Offline Legate Damar

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Re: Lateral afterburners
I meant center of gravity, not mass, sorry.

EDIT: Oh and it does compensate for internal intertia, but only to a limited extent. This is by design, so physically weak and fragile races like Terrans cannot pilot a GIDF ship without killing themselves.
« Last Edit: May 06, 2012, 07:02:06 pm by Legate Damar »

 

Offline Thaeris

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Re: Lateral afterburners
Then it's a bad design. I hope you enjoy working with hairline cracks and impending strucural failures in the near future as well. :p
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Offline Legate Damar

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Re: Lateral afterburners
The dangerous inertial forces only occur in the cockpit

 

Offline Thaeris

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Re: Lateral afterburners
Remind me to never hire you as an engineer. In fact, I'll fire you in advance. Just sayin'...
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Offline Legate Damar

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Re: Lateral afterburners
That's "artificer" in this campaign's lingo

 

Offline Killer Whale

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Re: Lateral afterburners
The dangerous inertial forces only occur in the cockpit
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Re: Lateral afterburners
The dangerous inertial forces only occur in the cockpit

Do you know how stupid this sounds?
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Re: Lateral afterburners
The dangerous inertial forces only occur in the cockpit
so it only shifts the center of gravity/mass/whatever you technobabble it out as inside the cokpit? woohoo, schlock mercenary gravy guns come to mind.




gravy alluding to what exactly will happen with the pilot. if you needed an explanation and couldnt infer it from the "name". seeing as your general lack of understanding of anything is, yes, you need the explanation.
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Offline Legate Damar

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Re: Lateral afterburners
Shivans can survive it.

Other races, not so much.

It can still be disabled, of course.

 
Re: Lateral afterburners
I believe this thread is the reason why you typically don't explain the technobabble unless it's absolutely necessary, especally since as noted above you shattered the Suspension of Disbelief with your bad explanation ;)  You would have been fine just calling it a grav-drive that humans can't survive using (or whatever Fun With Acronyms variant you prefer), then letting the player work out the rest in his or her head.  (I also somehow imagine that, given FS limits, it'd be quite simple to make a fighter such that a human could survive lateral ABing easily, whether it be by dampening, some method of ensuring the pilot is perpendicular to the new acceleration vector, etc. - stuff that's a pain to do but should be simple if you're manipulating gravity on-the-fly.  Mayhaps a plot point? :p)

... speaking of gravity drives, does anyone remember Microsoft Space Simulator?  IIRC, they had a ship that projected a gravity field in front of it to move - the Callisto, I think.

 

Offline Legate Damar

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Yeah they could build a version that humans could survive. Point is that they didn't.

 

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But its stupid to say "they built it with dampers everywhere BUT the cockpit", because apparently the pilots are more durable than the rest of the ship?? Then why do you even need a ship.
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Re: Lateral afterburners
But its stupid to say "they built it with dampers everywhere BUT the cockpit", because apparently the pilots are more durable than the rest of the ship?? Then why do you even need a ship.

Apparently, Shivans don't have a big enough colon to serve as a chemical propellant chamber for long space flights.
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Re: Lateral afterburners
Well then you don't need a ship, just gotta strap boosters on. You're more durable than the ship anyway.
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Offline Legate Damar

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Re: Lateral afterburners
There's also the issue of subspace drives, weaponry, etc.

Or it could be a failsafe that only disables the dampers in the cockpit when a non-Shivan is detected in it.

 

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Silly security system. Why not just disable *everything* if a non-Shivan is detected in it?
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Re: Lateral afterburners
I believe this thread is the reason why you typically don't explain the technobabble unless it's absolutely necessary, especally since