ok thanks for the idea BB, also is there a place with FS2 concept art? that might be helpful. also I may end up going after the seth too, as its not that overly curved, and who knows I could make something interesting out of it, just remember to give me some leeway as you never know what may come out, I mean look what I did to the SF2 mothership, but then again I did have a whole lot more detail on that, and thats not done either. you know what, I will start on both today and again remember, I can model them, I can uv them, but you proably want someone else to texture them