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Offline General Battuta

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Re: Diomedes Captains - honor or curse?
So in BP canon, are Karunas able to jam beams independently, as in TBI, or only with the help of an AWACS, as it seems in Aresteria and Delenda Est?  And are GTVA warships able to jam beams?

This is a question that comes up a lot, and it would probably be good to encode it in the tech room. Electronic warfare is a constant feature of combat in the BP universe at nearly every level - jamming of enemy targeting sensors to prevent them from exploiting damaged armor or systems, jamming of the adaptive fire control used by primary weapons like the Prometheus, jamming of sensors to degrade effective weapons range. Jamming beams in the sense we see in BP2 is not a magic box technology; it's a whole suite of ESM measures brought to bear on every level of the beam weapons system, from targeting systems to disruption of the magnetic bottle itself. In particular, the Jovians made enormous strides on the topic of jamming GTVA plasma beams because they already had a science team devoted to studying the Jupiter electromagnetic field and the Jupiter-Io flux tube - some of the most complicated and powerful electromagnetic phenomena in the system.

They were able to adapt these systems into a suite of jamming technologies that gave them a major edge. When the Katana and Altan Orde engaged their opponents at Simak Station, their on-board ECM systems were a tactical shock to their GTVA opponents, able to jam even the slash beams on the corvettes. But you'll note that even during the course of the fight the GTVA warships were able to adapt, requiring constant attack reprofiling to maintain effect. (If there were direct-fire beams on the field they might have posed an even greater challenge to handle simultaneously.)

By the time of the BP2 campaign proper the GTVA had taken initial steps to counter this sort of jamming attack, but the Oculus AWACS still brought overwhelming EW power to bear. Whether this advantage will persist remains to be seen - you can see the GTVA deploying countermeasures of a very practical sort in Delenda Est.

Wait, so does this mean that the UEF is better at blocking beams than both the GTVA and the Shivans?  Both of whom primarily use beam weapons and would be expected to know how to block beams as well as prevent their blockage better than the group who hasn't so much as looked at a beam in 50 yrs?  If the GTVA thought that beam jamming was a feasable thing wouldn't they have tried that against the Sathanas?  It seems more reasonable to assume that the GTVA just didn't know it was possible and that the UEF lucked into a solution that worked.

I think you're still conflating jamming and ECM as a technology with beam jamming here, since I don't think your question follows from the post of mine you've quoted. Electronic warfare is a broad, fascinating, and often fairly classified topic even in contemporary warfare: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_warfare

But with respect to your specific question - they're certainly doing a better job of it than the GTVA, in no small part due to the Jovian advantage mentioned above as well as their superior computational oomph. But it is not an invincible shield they've developed here; the GTVA has proven quite adapt at smashing through their jamming by one technology or another.

As for Shivan technology - a good look through the techroom entries on Shivan weapons may provide some very broad insight there.

  

Offline qwadtep

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Re: Diomedes Captains - honor or curse?
So in BP canon, are Karunas able to jam beams independently, as in TBI, or only with the help of an AWACS, as it seems in Aresteria and Delenda Est?  And are GTVA warships able to jam beams?
I think it requires an AWACS and it's just given to the player in TBI for gameplay reasons even though it's perfectly possible to beat TBI without it. Almost certainly UEF only, given how recent it is and the fact that the 14th didn't have it in AoA.

 

Offline General Battuta

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Re: Diomedes Captains - honor or curse?
I think it requires an AWACS and it's just given to the player in TBI for gameplay reasons even though it's perfectly possible to beat TBI without it. Almost certainly UEF only, given how recent it is and the fact that the 14th didn't have it in AoA.

Jamming technology has always been a big part of FreeSpace combat as envisioned in the BPverse. The specific application of electronic warfare to the complete degradation of beam attacks is a Jovian innovation that was briefly almost perfect in its effectiveness even from the Karuna platform and then rapidly decayed into the domain of specialized AWACS ships as GTVA countermeasures raced to match. This decay may well continue.

 

Offline Sciguy

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Re: Diomedes Captains - honor or curse?
Sorry, I meant specifically the beam jamming aspect of the general ECM strategy.  Obviously, Electronic Warfare occurs on a wide range of the EM spectrum in an attempt to block/intercept/redirect everything from communications to targeting to IFF data.  If you get lucky enough you might even be able to reduce the intensity of a laser beam.  Shoot, I wouldn't be surprised if they are trying to run malicious code on the enemy ships computer systems as well (like the Cylon virus on Battlestar Galactica).

If I have this correct, beam targeting/magnetic bottle/etc. were always being interfered with to varying degrees of success.  However, the Jovians managed to dramatically improve it due to their high degree of experience with plasmas and their interaction with EM fields.

 
Re: Diomedes Captains - honor or curse?
It's bad luck indeed. Under most combat situations, Diomedes are scary ships. If positioned correctly, they can fire all 4 TerSlashBlues on a single target, which means more DPS than a Chimera. Add to that the excellent anti-fighter defences and the fighterbay, and you probably have the most versatile design ever conceived by the Tevs.

Wait--what angle IS that, exactly? I thought its four slash beams were located on its sides...unless they have huge firing arcs, I don't quite see how that works.
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Re: Diomedes Captains - honor or curse?
Shoot, I wouldn't be surprised if they are trying to run malicious code on the enemy ships computer systems as well (like the Cylon virus on Battlestar Galactica).


Unless you're referring to the intelligent, learning-capable logic bomb virus--which wouldn't really be applicable to BP or FS canon (the dynamic is totally different), the Cylons never used a virus against the Colonials. One of their operatives co-developed the Command Navigation Program with a pompous idiot, programming several backdoors into it. The Colonial leadership, in turn, saw no problem whatsoever with putting that program on every single fighter, transport, Raptor, and ship in the entire Colonial Fleet, or with networking all of their ships at all times, with no in-place failsafes.

All the Cylons had to do was use any of those backdoors and tell the Colonial ships to power down completely. No virus needed, just a whole bunch of experienced, trained, and reasonable people being impossibly stupid, blind, and forgetful of very recent history (and all notions of electronic warfare and system security, no matter what kind of recent war with or potential threat of a technologically superior race whose MO was electronic warfare).

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Offline niffiwan

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Re: Diomedes Captains - honor or curse?
It's bad luck indeed. Under most combat situations, Diomedes are scary ships. If positioned correctly, they can fire all 4 TerSlashBlues on a single target, which means more DPS than a Chimera. Add to that the excellent anti-fighter defences and the fighterbay, and you probably have the most versatile design ever conceived by the Tevs.

Wait--what angle IS that, exactly? I thought its four slash beams were located on its sides...unless they have huge firing arcs, I don't quite see how that works.

I believe any target directly above the Diomedes can be hit by all 4 TerSlashBlues.
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Re: Diomedes Captains - honor or curse?
Wait--what angle IS that, exactly? I thought its four slash beams were located on its sides...unless they have huge firing arcs, I don't quite see how that works.
Top of the ship, because of the way the emiters are angled on the sides. At least I remember the arcs overlapped on the old Dio model, haven't tested with the new one.

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