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Offline Spoon

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Syndicate 'reboot' sold like ****, developer confirmed for retarded
http://www.edge-online.com/news/starbreeze-proud-syndicate-despite-poor-sales

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"Yes, I'm still proud of it," he said. "To have the courage to reboot the franchise…"
Look at all that courage, making a generic FPS.

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"If we didn't do an exact copy of the game, they'd hate us. If we did do an exact copy, they'd say we didn't innovate. They were never ours to win; it was a lost battle from the get-go."
If it was such a lost battle from the get-go, why did they even started this when they had no clue on how to win it. (Protip: Not making a squad base strategy game into a generic FPS would have been a great start)

I feel this odd warm sensation reading how it sold like ****. Hopefully it'll send a message not to take the name of old games and turn them into ****ty first person dudebro shootan games.
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Re: Syndicate 'reboot' sold like ****, developer confirmed for retarded
I'm looking forward to the day FPS will be a dead genre.

I'm also looking forward to the day humanity will be a dead race.

Let's hope the first comes before the second.
People are stupid, therefore anything popular is at best suspicious.

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Offline Dragon

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Re: Syndicate 'reboot' sold like ****, developer confirmed for retarded
Considering most FPSes don't need thinking to play them (those that do are scarce), I'd say they'll thrive as long as there dumb people who like to shoot stuff.

 

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Re: Syndicate 'reboot' sold like ****, developer confirmed for retarded
Fidgeting for excuses and blaming the fans for their own gross incompetency.

Classic....

And no Spoon, I think you are too optimistic. Imho this isn't gonna teach them a thing... except to stay away from the Syndicate franchise and their ungrateful fans... and maybe to fire some people  who are deemed "responsible" for the mess.

 

Offline Polpolion

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Re: Syndicate 'reboot' sold like ****, developer confirmed for retarded
I'm looking forward to the day FPS will be a dead genre.

I'm also looking forward to the day humanity will be a dead race.

Let's hope the first comes before the second.

Considering most FPSes don't need thinking to play them (those that do are scarce), I'd say they'll thrive as long as there dumb people who like to shoot stuff.

there is absolutely nothing intrinsically wrong with the genre. the developers made a design decision that they didn't have the resources to back up. big deal, some games just aren't as much fun as others. you can guess how hard it gets to stay fresh in a genre as big as shooters. that said, I don't at all blame either of you for being jaded.

  

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Re: Syndicate 'reboot' sold like ****, developer confirmed for retarded
If anything, Metroid Prime taught me that FPS can be fun and smart. Some may call it a First-Person Adventure to differentiate from other FPSes, but to me, Metroid Prime and its sequels are great FPS games with lots of exploration and puzzles. And meat!

ie, what Polpolion said about how FPS are not intrinsically bad.

 

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Re: Syndicate 'reboot' sold like ****, developer confirmed for retarded
I'm looking forward to the day FPS will be a dead genre.

I'm also looking forward to the day humanity will be a dead race.

Let's hope the first comes before the second.
Some of us do legitimately like FPSes; they're probably about my favorite genre all things considered.  That being said, I don't want fans of other genres screwed over by misguided publishers using old IPs for mediocre entries into an overcrowded field.

 

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Re: Syndicate 'reboot' sold like ****, developer confirmed for retarded
I most defs hated FPS before hating FPS was mainstream.
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you mean when they were novel and innovative? well, to each his own.

 

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Re: Syndicate 'reboot' sold like ****, developer confirmed for retarded
forgot my sarcasm tags
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Re: Syndicate 'reboot' sold like ****, developer confirmed for retarded
Nothing wrong with FPSes. They're fun for what they are.
As far as Syndicate goes, well if Xcom Enemy Unknown sells like gangbusters maybe we'll see a more true to form Syndicate in future.

 

Offline Dragon

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There's nothing wrong with FPSes, but clones of Doom and Halo are getting boring. Metro 2033, Marathon and ArmA are all very good FPSes, though the first two mostly because of the story (the "shooter" part in Metro isn't anything stellar, and Marathon is just plain primitive). First Red Faction was good (the second less so), and SW: Dark Forces series were decent (though the FPS element in them was average, I mostly played them for story and lightsaber combat).
My issue with most FPSes is that they focus on simplistic gameplay and often have a poor excuse for a story, focusing on multiplayer. SW: Battlefront 2 could've been much better if it had a more immersive gameplay model in SP instead of blatant MP-oriented point control. Just about the only good thing about it was the plot, which was a refreshing take on the events (being played from Imperial perspective).

 

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Re: Syndicate 'reboot' sold like ****, developer confirmed for retarded
Fidgeting for excuses and blaming the fans for their own gross incompetency.

Classic....

And no Spoon, I think you are too optimistic. Imho this isn't gonna teach them a thing... except to stay away from the Syndicate franchise and their ungrateful fans... and maybe to fire some people  who are deemed "responsible" for the mess.
I'm afraid you are right on that  :(
The firing actually already happened
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[02:42] <@Axem> spoon somethings wrong
[02:42] <@Axem> critically wrong
[02:42] <@Axem> im happy with these missions now
[02:44] <@Axem> well
[02:44] <@Axem> with 2 of them

 
Re: Syndicate 'reboot' sold like ****, developer confirmed for retarded
Fidgeting for excuses and blaming the fans for their own gross incompetency.

Classic....

And no Spoon, I think you are too optimistic. Imho this isn't gonna teach them a thing... except to stay away from the Syndicate franchise and their ungrateful fans... and maybe to fire some people  who are deemed "responsible" for the mess.
I'm afraid you are right on that  :(
The firing actually already happened

You do know those layoffs occured before the game was even released right? That just suggests they didn't have another product in the pipeline to feed those people.

 

Offline Dragon

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Yeah, it seems those were the usual "economic crisis" layoffs. Same ol' buzzwords, same ol' reasoning.

 

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Re: Syndicate 'reboot' sold like ****, developer confirmed for retarded
You do know those layoffs occured before the game was even released right? That just suggests they didn't have another product in the pipeline to feed those people.
I think they had a pretty good impression on how well the game would do before it even got released. Had they expected this to be one of the next best 'triple-A fps franchises' they would have kept them for the inevitable sequel cash cow.
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[02:42] <@Axem> critically wrong
[02:42] <@Axem> im happy with these missions now
[02:44] <@Axem> well
[02:44] <@Axem> with 2 of them

 

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Re: Syndicate 'reboot' sold like ****, developer confirmed for retarded
Metro 2033 [...] are all very good FPSes, though [...] mostly because of the story (the "shooter" part in Metro isn't anything stellar

I disagree with the notion that Metro 2033 has a good story.  It certainly has a good atmosphere, but that's about it.

Quote from: My (De-)Recommendation Blurb on Steam
I do not recommend this game for anything other than research purposes.

A great display of atmosphere.
A truly stupendous opening.
Lackluster gameplay and incoherent puzzles.
Very poor level design.
Poor auditory directional handling.
A pointless economy.
Completely forgettable NPCs.
A nonsensical story.

 

Offline Dragon

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To each their own, I suppose. I liked the NPCs, idea for economy seemed brilliant and the atmosphere was great. Gameplay was nothing stellar, but I don't play FPSes (other than ArmA) for gameplay. Maybe if the same story was told differently, it's be average, but something in a way it was told just got me. I especially liked the beginning, later (after Polis station) it got somewhat weird, but still enjoyable. I don't have much to say for the puzzles, but they felt allright. Afterall, strange visions inside your head are rarely coherent. They felt right and weren't too difficult.

As for level design, it was indeed quite poor gameplay-wise, but very realistic. Let's face it, Moscow metro wasn't build with such events in mind, and it certainly felt like it. I'm not sure about auditory directional handling complaint, I didn't pay that much attention to sound system, but with my 5.1 headphones, it sounded really good. It also had amazing graphics, which I was able to experience in all their DX10 glory (decision to switch to Vista finally starts paying off).

Note, the above is coming from a guy living at the doorstep of former Soviet Union. Moscow is much closer to me than Las Vegas, both culturally and geographically. One thing I liked about Metro is that it was very Russian. I guess that somebody living in a different place might have different feelings about it.

Also, I wonder if you noticed a Discworld shout-out (because there's no way that could be accidental, I tell you).

 

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I most defs hated FPS before hating FPS was mainstream.
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To each their own, I suppose. I liked the NPCs, idea for economy seemed brilliant and the atmosphere was great. Gameplay was nothing stellar, but I don't play FPSes (other than ArmA) for gameplay. Maybe if the same story was told differently, it's be average, but something in a way it was told just got me. I especially liked the beginning, later (after Polis station) it got somewhat weird, but still enjoyable. I don't have much to say for the puzzles, but they felt allright. Afterall, strange visions inside your head are rarely coherent. They felt right and weren't too difficult.

As for level design, it was indeed quite poor gameplay-wise, but very realistic. Let's face it, Moscow metro wasn't build with such events in mind, and it certainly felt like it. I'm not sure about auditory directional handling complaint, I didn't pay that much attention to sound system, but with my 5.1 headphones, it sounded really good. It also had amazing graphics, which I was able to experience in all their DX10 glory (decision to switch to Vista finally starts paying off).

Note, the above is coming from a guy living at the doorstep of former Soviet Union. Moscow is much closer to me than Las Vegas, both culturally and geographically. One thing I liked about Metro is that it was very Russian. I guess that somebody living in a different place might have different feelings about it.

Also, I wonder if you noticed a Discworld shout-out (because there's no way that could be accidental, I tell you).

The idea for the economy itself wasn't bad.  But the way it was implemented rendered it pointless.

The audio thing went something like this: I heard something towards my left, I looked left, guy that's now behind me shoots me.  Maybe this issue doesn't exist on surround sound setups, as I was using headphones.

And yes, the atmosphere was handled very well.