[Fury]

How many of you have played the Blade Runner PC game that came back in 1997? I still have the CD's in the original case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TNyP3zuvEM

[headdie]

How many of you have played the Blade Runner PC game that came back in 1997? I still have the CD's in the original case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TNyP3zuvEM

it was... interesting, also the install size was bigger than my hard drive was when it was launched lol

[karajorma]

In lieu of that, we can report your posts to a moderator, citing "deliberate aggravating behavior" and try to get you monkeyed for a couple days.

Do that. I agree it is getting annoying.

[The E]

after watching the first star trek movie, i felt i would have been better off doing something else with my time.  it was HORRIBLE.  not essential to watch it even once at all.

now that i think about it it did kinda suck.

That movie was nothing but Federation propaganda

Legate Damar, a good comedian tailors his jokes towards his audience. If the audience has started booing you off the stage and appears to rummage through their bags to find something not-too-solid to throw at you, it may just be time for said comedian to think about whether his jokes were well-chosen.

In your case, it's like this. Yes, we get it. You like Cardassians. You like them so much, you want to pretend to be one online. It's OK, there are stranger things to do in this weird format; but for the love of kittens, there is such a thing as taking it too far. Going into a thread about a genuine SF Classic, and derailing it towards your self-absorbed delusions, is just far enough out of order to warrant a formal warning.

Please confirm you have read and understood this message.

[Nuke]

yea i mean i used to really like the borg. when i was 8. 22 years later and trek is pretty much dead to me. as for space nazi lizzard men, meh.

[X3N0-Life-Form]

How many of you have played the Blade Runner PC game that came back in 1997? I still have the CD's in the original case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TNyP3zuvEM

it was... interesting, also the install size was bigger than my hard drive was when it was launched lol

Interesting indeed. I remember that the game had several ending paths. Things could go differently between two playthrough.

[Legate Damar]

yea i mean i used to really like the borg. when i was 8. 22 years later and trek is pretty much dead to me. as for space nazi lizzard men, meh.

I am not a Nazi. But fine, I won't pester people anymore.

[Flipside]

Look, just please try to ease off on the character a little bit, we know you like Cardassians, but some people get really irate at it being rolled out time and time again. There's nothing wrong with the odd characterization, Dekkers' 'hatred of Zods' is a prime example, but overstretch the metaphor and you end up with people getting fed up with hearing it.

On a personal level, I don't really have a problem with you posting 'as a Cardassian' from time to time, but overstretch the metaphor and you'll end up making a rod for your own back.

[Bobboau]

honestly, I find Damar's consistency with it funny, but I'm insane, so that probably isn't helping his case.

as for trek, if they would have kept going, I probably would still like it, the Borg are still a damn cool bad guy, even if they did get gimped by firstcontact/voyager.
(note first contact was awesome, but it left the borg in a less sustainable state)

[headdie]

as for trek, if they would have kept going, I probably would still like it, the Borg are still a damn cool bad guy, even if they did get gimped by firstcontact/voyager.
(note first contact was awesome, but it left the borg in a less sustainable state)

By the end of voyager I think they were starting to run out of borg ideas and that is where things started to unravel plot wise with them.  but yes they are certainly up there with the better recurring badguys.

[newman]

Interesting indeed. I remember that the game had several ending paths. Things could go differently between two playthrough.

Things almost always did go differently between the playthroughs - I should know, completed this game a lot of times IIRC the game was advertised as having 11 different endings, but in reality it had about 3 or 4 endings that were really different, with some subvariations on each. It was a great game, probably the best I've seen that was based off a movie.

[BloodEagle]

honestly, I find Damar's consistency with it funny, but I'm insane, so that probably isn't helping his case.

This.

[Flipside]

On a purely personal level, it doesn't bother me much at all, but it obviously bothers some people, and that's enough to put Admin in a position where a decision has to be made. That has been done, I can understand how overkill of it can get up people's noses.

[Nuke]

as for trek, if they would have kept going, I probably would still like it, the Borg are still a damn cool bad guy, even if they did get gimped by firstcontact/voyager.
(note first contact was awesome, but it left the borg in a less sustainable state)

By the end of voyager I think they were starting to run out of borg ideas and that is where things started to unravel plot wise with them.  but yes they are certainly up there with the better recurring badguys.

my issue with both of those is that the borg were always kind of a metaphor for communism, more or less (the cardassians were always a metaphore for facism, hince nazi lizzard men).  so when they introduced the idea that the borg have a queen, the communism metaphore breaks down, now its a ****ing monarchy with drones and an eleitest leadership class. for first contact this was kind of a requirement for the story, you need a bad guy who isnt just a big blob of multiple consciousnesses all networked together. in fact the early borg episodes of tng if you go back and watch them were kind of dry in terms of the borg's character. they addressed this in best of both worlds with the assimilation of pacard, now the borg had a persona "omg its evil pacard!!!".

fast forward through tng's borg episodes, like i borg where a single drone is disconnected from the hive to give them an appropriate level of personality where the borg have none. this was really a setup for the season 6->7 transitional 2 parter descent where the borg were no longer part of the collective allowing a certain character's evil twin to take control of them, now the borg had personality. so when first contact came around they had a dellima of how to give actual borg a personality. so we introduce a new leadership class to act as the borg's persona. to make the movie more palatable for non-trekkies and generally improve the story.

of course this then led voyager to abuse the living **** out of the concept and make the borg a panzy sissy race.

[karajorma]

Yes but the problem with that is why do the borg need a personality? Treat them like a force of nature. I don't remember anyone deciding that in The Perfect Storm we needed to give the hurricane a voice and have it talk to George Clooney.

[Nuke]

exactly, but...

when you go see a perfect storm, you're expecting a man vs nature kind of movie. go see a scifi movie, and you expect the good guys to pewn the badass alien. you usually have an intelligent leader and some dumb by comparison goons which is the formula scifi has been using for years for its evil factions. its the classic set up, darth vader has storm troopers, general grievous has his battle droids, behemecotyl has his bugs, etc (sorry 2 starwars references my scifi memory sucks today). they used that formula and gave the borg a queen. now you have an individual with whom people can relate, instead of a cerebral concept that maybe 60% of trekkies and 10% of normal people really understand. you would have had to see the 4 tng episodes (6 if you cout the 2-parters as individual episodes) about the borg to get the full backstory, but because its a movie and you want to attract a bigger audience than just trek nerds to make the movie profitable, you dumb it down so everyone can digest the story. that they carried on this dumbing down of the borg into voyager is really sad (they didnt do it for the sake of the trekkies, they did it for the average movie goer, but of course it had picard in it it must be cannon). i was also rather disappointed that ds9 never got a single borg episode (pilot not inclusive), they could have really done something with that.

startrek 2 had a back story in the original series, but because kahn is such an obvious badass it really didnt need to go far beyond "he tried to steal his ship and murder him" from the guy who wasnt even there. because st1 kinda flopped and noone liked it, they said "lets just do moby dick in space" (ironically they did the same thing in first contact and again in nemesis).

i hate to say it but trek != blade runner. though this is kind of a good convo i might splet it out later when im not playing starcrack feeling more ambitious

[BloodEagle]

exactly, but...

when you go see a perfect storm, you're expecting a man vs nature kind of movie. go see a scifi movie, and you expect the good guys to pewn the badass alien. you usually have an intelligent leader and some dumb by comparison goons which is the formula scifi has been using for years for its evil factions. its the classic set up, darth vader has storm troopers, general grievous has his battle droids, behemecotyl has his bugs, etc (sorry 2 starwars references my scifi memory sucks today).

Your analysis has one fatal flaw: Star Wars isn't Science Fiction, it's Science Fantasy (and there is nothing wrong with this).

[Nuke]

i just had trouble spawing other references from my psychotic mind. im not a huge star wars fan.

[karajorma]

Oh I know why they thought they had to include the Borg Queen. I'm just saying that perhaps they should have instead not tried to dumb things down. We are on a thread talking about Blade Runner of course. There aren't many better examples of how cerebral sci-fi can make money (and also that the suits attempts to make it more accessible result in a much worse movie).

[Flipside]

Blade Runner did have a slow pace, possibly too slow at times, but then, the movie was as much about atmosphere as storyline. The problem was that it was trying to tackle a difficult subject, i.e. whether life is a scientific or subjective state, and the desire not to die, which seems to have pushed the simulants, like humans to evolve and try to find ways to prevent it, leading to a machine that was programmed as a cold blooded killer giving one of the most moving speeches in movie history, i.e. Tears in the Rain.

That sort of thing was never going to hard-sell to a popcorn munching audience, but it is the sort of movie that builds a cult following over time.