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Unless I'm doing something unusual everything is pretty seamless and smooth.
...nowadays. :nervous:

If they work past the quirks.

Oh, you misconfigured your video?  No problem, new Linux user, please lrn 2 navigate your ext4 partition using bash and edit the appropriate config file with vi.

:beamz:  wtf, no safe mode / system restore????  Going back to the devil, I guess...

It's hard to Google the fix if it's your only computer that's down.  Unless you had the foresight to dual-boot.

I managed to work through that particular nightmare on my first try, but it took a good day or so of fighting with it and researching on dual boot (when the dial-up was not being retarded, that is).  Oh and ofc it was ext3 or ext2 back then IIRC.  Same thing from the user's perspective though.
At least Ubuntu has had a safe mode for years now.
And the console thing is something I will never understand. There ARE graphical tools in the main desktop enviroments to do almost everything, and yet walkthroughs are still written using console commands. :confused:
I don't like the console. When people tell me, for example, to add a repository, I launch Synaptic.
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console commands are almost  universal regardless of your setup, and can be easier to describe to a new user. my prob is that i have never had a dualboot install work right

 
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console commands are almost  universal regardless of your setup, and can be easier to describe to a new user. my prob is that i have never had a dualboot install work right
And yet still most walkthroughs are written targeting a particular distribution. And walkthroughs for Windows use images and notations like Start -> Control Panel so I see no reason why we can't do the same on KDE and Gnome.

 
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universal for that distro would probably be better
its more of a forum thing no one helping a guy on a forum wants to make a powerpoint presentation on how to do something nor do they want to ask a thousand questions about thier desktop environment. so with console commands the guy using openbox can help the guy using gnome easily. how hard is it to open a terminal and copy and paste a command?

 
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universal for that distro would probably be better
its more of a forum thing no one helping a guy on a forum wants to make a powerpoint presentation on how to do something nor do they want to ask a thousand questions about thier desktop environment. so with console commands the guy using openbox can help the guy using gnome easily. how hard is it to open a terminal and copy and paste a command?

It's not hard. It's just that most people are allergic to it.
And I'm talking about articles in the internet.

Take this guide as an example. I haven't used it, but it looks right. That's the way I would do it. Well, actually, I usually do it in Cervantes' tongue :lol: , but anyway, you know what I mean.

 

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@mormon_boy, EasyBCD is your friend  (go under "Non-commercial" and click "Register", then just click the "Download" button -- you don't have to put your info in, it will download).

@el_magnifico, the GUI tools only work if the GUI is up and running.  I seem to be particularly talented and poking around with system configurations in the GUI tools that cause the GUI to not load properly and get me in a bind.  :ick:

 
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@el_magnifico, the GUI tools only work if the GUI is up and running.  I seem to be particularly talented and poking around with system configurations in the GUI tools that cause the GUI to not load properly and get me in a bind.  :ick:
You should be doing something awfully wrong to get no GUI. Once I rebooted halfway through a distro upgrade and still got welcomed by a low-res login and session.

You guys realize you're looking into every possible "but" here, don't you? Like, what if I have to recompile my kernel and add modules to it? Well duh, of course you're going to use a CLI. But that's no reason for doing a console walkthrough when you're writting, say, "How to install Audacity on Ubuntu 12.04". And one just assumes if you're installing Audacity or adding Wine repos, that chances are high you've got a running graphical enviroment in the first place.

 

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oh great, now its a linux user wank thread. stamp of wank applicated.
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And yet still most walkthroughs are written targeting a particular distribution. And walkthroughs for Windows use images and notations like Start -> Control Panel so I see no reason why we can't do the same on KDE and Gnome.

Oh man it's so annoying when people do this. For example, when making a bootable thumb drive for Ubuntu, their tutorial assumes you already have ubuntu installed (it's windows OSX and ubunu, not windows OSX and Linux). I cannot post here what I would do to the person that wrote that tutorial. Contrast with Debian's tutorial. Tutorials really aren't usually OS specific unless it's something that has to do exactly with that OS rather than a piece of software or something, or I suppose if they're crappy tutorials. Learn bash; once you know it you won't know how you managed without it.

 

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I don't know where this is going, but I've been using Ubuntu for a long time, and while I wasn't too fond of Unity at first, it's beautiful and stable now. I also recognized that for the longest time, their driver support wasn't too great (not their fault, mind you), but it's only been getting better over the last few releases. Now, you can install Ubuntu without a problem.

Something to consider: The reason why I stick with Ubuntu and not other distros is because I consider myself to be a casual user. I know that I won't be able to fiddle with Arch Linux, and I'm quite happy with the Unity interface. I could switch to Fedora, but I haven't seen much of a reason to. Maybe when I decide to start gaming on a Fedora, I'll switch over. (The performance difference for gaming is notable, but if it's only because Unity is a performance hog, I might just switch to Gnome.)

There's nothing wrong with Linux. It can be as easy or as complicated as you want. You don't want bloatware and want it to be personal? Arch Linux is for you (maybe). You want to start somewhere? Try Ubuntu. You want proprietary by default? There's Mint.

With that said, I almost forgot about Ubuntu for Android. Depending on how well it works, I can imagine it being an alternative to Surface.

 
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We're running in circles here.

And yet still most walkthroughs are written targeting a particular distribution. And walkthroughs for Windows use images and notations like Start -> Control Panel so I see no reason why we can't do the same on KDE and Gnome.

Oh man it's so annoying when people do this. For example, when making a bootable thumb drive for Ubuntu, their tutorial assumes you already have ubuntu installed (it's windows OSX and ubunu, not windows OSX and Linux). I cannot post here what I would do to the person that wrote that tutorial.

Oh, Canonical! You had the nerve of writing a howto for your own distro and posting it on your own servers, in your own enterprise's page, which you paid for with your own money. Now, have you thought about that poor guy running his customized Linux From Scratch? Did he even crossed your mind for a second? What's that unfortunate and defenseless newbie, who barely managed to compile his own kernel and a whole system on top of it, going to do now? You're so self-centered Canonical! *sigh*

Now, if you look at the example I posted, down at the bottom of the page you will see the alternative instructions right there, written in pure and pristine bash language for your enjoyment.

Come to think of it, your example is a clear demonstration of what I said: There's almost always an easier way to do it, but we expect people to do it the hard way. (And while I'm at it, at least the Ubuntu tutorial looks stylish and eye-catching. That's important for the user's experience too.)

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Learn bash; once you know it you won't know how you managed without it.

Learning bash hasn't changed my life in any significant way. It didn't get me a better job, a warmer house or a luxury car. Learning web development in Java took me half the time. It gave me an official certification, friends, valuable contacts, and a small yet much appreciated scholarship. To be clear, I'm not a materialist person, but given experiences like that, do you really expect people to learn bash, something most of them will never actually have a use for in their whole life? Sure, it may be a nice tool to have in your arsenal, but I expect an OS to be usable without it.
And just for the record, I love Linux, I love Debian (my first full time distro), I've been a Linux user for the last seven years. It's just that I'm not blind, I know end users have requirements we're not meeting yet (except for Android, of course.)

With that said, I almost forgot about Ubuntu for Android. Depending on how well it works, I can imagine it being an alternative to Surface.

This.
Also, I imagine having Ubuntu or Android installed in one of those ARM Surface things would be pure glory. That's, if UEFI allows it... :nervous: