[Kellan]

...Well, the new ones, that is. Now that I've seen both I'd like to hear everyone's opinions. Am I mad, or are you stupid?

Personally, I think that Attack of the Clones was a let down. The dialogue, particularly in the 'love scenes' was laughably poor, the characterisation wasn't there and it wasn't paced right. Plus, the special effects looked too fake. Some of the weapons looked weird for the sake of being weird, though the sonic mines were cool. :devilidea

Spider-Man by comparison had better versions of everything that I just said was wrong with AOTC. It did have a mawkish patriotic scene, but only one. For that I am thankful.

And now, let the fighting commence!

[wEvil]

...Well, the new ones, that is. Now that I've seen both I'd like to hear everyone's opinions. Am I mad, or are you stupid?  

Well i'm not stupid, but you're definately mad!


Personally, I think that Attack of the Clones was a let down. The dialogue, particularly in the 'love scenes' was laughably poor, the characterisation wasn't there and it wasn't paced right. Plus, the special effects looked too fake. Some of the weapons looked weird for the sake of being weird, though the sonic mines were cool.

The special effects were terrible, obviously ILM has been taking on too many newbies out of the local maya and PRMan training center.  Bleurgh.  I've seen films 5 years older with better looking effects than that, and the fact the film was basically a bad excuse for a CG-generated background flickshow didnt help much either.

The acting? dont even go there.  It was worse than useless.  I've seen more wooden acting from the muppets.

Weapons?  the end lightsabre battle was a kind of lucid walkthrough until yoda appeared...it really was pathetic.  The lightning didnt look very good either, I thought.

THe sonic mines LOOKED nice...but...wtf...sonic mines in space?  eh?

Spider-Man by comparison had better versions of everything that I just said was wrong with AOTC. It did have a mawkish patriotic scene, but only one. For that I am thankful.

Spider man was everything the comic said it should be, simple.  Obviously it still suffers from the modern-movie ailment of style over substance but it is SO stylish I can just about live with that.

Excellent film

Spiderman -

AOtC -

[TheCelestialOne]

The only thing I liked about SW:AOTC was Yoda!

[CP5670]

Haven't seen either one.

[Kellan]

That's to be expected.

wEvil, I agree with you that AOTC was just an excuse for a whole bucketload of effects. I seem to be the only one of the friends I went to see it with who thinks the Yoda fight was laughable, too.

Maybe I've been spoiled by the books...the Thrawn trilogy really is so much better than anything else in the Star Wars universe.

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As for style over substance, I agree that every film recently has suffered from that, really (things like Memento being the exception). However, if one can pull off a lot of style or have a bit of substance that's good.

[Stealth]

Star Wars is known to have poor acting in all the movies so-far!

The special effects, and, well... the name 'Star Wars' and the reputation it's gotten over time now the name doesn't mean anything...

I have seen Spiderman in theaters 3 times and Star Wars 4 times (including the 12:01 AM preimere)

Both movies were spectacular, both in effects, and in overall storyline.



wEvil... i have to disagree... I believe the special effects WERE awesome....

both movies were awesome, but I think I like star wars a little better out of the two

[Styxx]

Didn't watch Ep2 yet... I don't want to watch the versions available at the net 'cause they're too crappy quality, don't want to spoil the real stuff. But I've watched Spider-man, and it's gonna be hard for a SW movie to be better than that.

[Gortef]

I've seen Ep2 and the only time I REALLY enjoyed watching it was the scene with Yoda fighting... sure the other fight scenes were good too

otherwise my comment is... "you should watch it... at least once"

[Stealth]

Hey Styxx, 2999 posts!
almost at the 3000 post mark

[Unknown Target]

Spider man was dumb. I am a true believer, but I still think it was very dumb, Star Wars gets a hand here

[Zeronet]

Kellen is mad. The Special effects are brilliant, Lightsaber battles unmatched and expect for Mrs stone face Amidala the acting is pretty good. All the actors have some talent and do portray their characters well but Amidala is dull.

[Styxx]

Well, if you go by episode 1 they have some degree of talent... the problem is that it's a negative degree.

whoohoo! 3k posts!

[Kellan]

Kellen may be mad, but Kellan is right.

Though I thought that Anakin was reasonable, particularly when he went a little off the rails, and Chancellor Palpatine was excellent, it was the characterisation that killed Star Wars off.

The special effects though, were in no way as good as Spider-Man's - they looked too 'fake' as I say, and the Yoda fight really was dumb-looking. Anakin fighting Dooku for about 0.389 seconds was better.

Oh, and Unkown Target - in what way was Spider-Man dumb? It was pretty faithful to the comic-book rendition, really considering the mangling these things usually go through.

[Zeronet]

Uh, yeah Spiderman himself looks fake to a large degree, less so with Yoda who looks cool also SW gets extra marks just for being SW .

[Kellan]

Originally posted by Zeronet
Uh, yeah Spiderman himself looks fake to a large degree, less so with Yoda who looks cool also SW gets extra marks just for being SW .

Before having seen the movie I would've agreed - Spider-Man does look fake in the trailers. However, in the film itself he seemed a lot more 'real' - I can't explain it, except perhaps by saying that I only ever saw the trailers on TV. Still, the 'making of' documentary showed that it was actually a costume, not a CG thing. The bits that were CG were the 'impossible' stunts.

If they can make a costume that looks like it's CG but is physically real, I have no complaints.

As for Yoda, don't hide behind the Just Because It's Star Wars It Is Automatically Cooler Than A Comparative Thing shield. Trust me, I love Star Wars, and I would have liked to have loved the last two movies. I can't though...

[Zeronet]

Mabye its the age  barrier, after all SW is aimed at a younger audience to Spiderman. Still they should make a Punisher Movie, cos i got issue #1 of that, so if they made a movie my comic would be worth more . not got any really early Spiderman comics.

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by Kellan
Maybe I've been spoiled by the books...the Thrawn trilogy really is so much better than anything else in the Star Wars universe.

*feels light-headed*

Man, if they made 7, 8 and 9 true to the Thrawn trilogy, it would easily have the potential to surpass not only 4-6 but LOTR as well!

*faints*

I haven't seen Spidey-man yet, but I recall laughing out loud throughout the whole Yoda scene the first time I saw Ep. II. You're not alone, Shrike.

[Kellan]

Originally posted by Zeronet
Mabye its the age  barrier, after all SW is aimed at a younger audience to Spiderman.

IIRC, I'm a year older than you, so that wouldn't explain our difference of opinion unless you have the mind of a ten-year-old...

Originally posted by sandwich
Man, if they made 7, 8 and 9 true to the Thrawn trilogy, it would easily have the potential to surpass not only 4-6 but LOTR as well!

*sigh*

We can dream, sandwich, we can dream. I agree totally.

[Zeronet]

My Chemistery teacher says its worrying i know about Particle accellerators and Fusion reactors and anti-matter. When she asked how we could turn hard water into soft i suggested using a particle accelerator . Not that effective but it was funny.

[Kellan]

Your Chemistry what??