[SpardaSon21]

Yeah, Borderlands 2 is one of those games.  Gearbox ditched GameSpy in favor of Steamworks for this installment.

[0rph3u5]

unless this is one of those bastards that requires steam even on the hard copy.  and probably doesn't tell you on the box.

Unless legislation is different where you live, the requirment of Steam, Origin or any other thrid party software as well as the requirement to register online before playing has to be there noted on box, visable before purchase ... (In Germany it has to be noted on box and is often as well as a seperate entry in the system requirments) - otherwise you can claim false advertisment or something similar for a full refund at your retailer ...

[SpardaSon21]

In America the System Requirements section of the retail box pretty much always lists an online connection requirement or third-party account requirement such as Steam.  But of course, who bothers to actually read something like the system requirements of a game these days?

[MatthTheGeek]

Probably the same people that still worry about whether or not games will requires Steam.....

[SpardaSon21]

Everyone should be checking system requirements before they purchase a game.  I know I do.  If some console peasant or (insert PC-related idiot here) doesn't bother to read the box to see if their PC can run it or if the game requires anything extra, they deserve to be stuck with their purchase.  At that point you're an uninformed buyer and you get what you deserve.

[The E]

Yeah, Borderlands 2 is one of those games.  Gearbox ditched GameSpy in favor of Steamworks for this installment.

I already preordered it, and this is good news indeed. The matchmaking in Borderlands was horrible.

[Klaustrophobia]

i think any game that requires third party applications to be installed should have to disclose this prevalently on the package, like that "games for windows" ribbon across the top of the ones that use microsoft's (dumb) system.  i'm sure the steam thing is somewhere on the box in the legalese, but i still call that deliberately deceptive. 

[Astronomiya]

I've preordered the game as well, and am looking forward to sniping my way to victory again.  I'm still up for trying to down Crawmerax in the original if anyone's game before 2 lands.  My Steam ID is starslayer, not Astronomiya.

[SpardaSon21]

Of all the things to proudly advertise on the cover of your game Games 4 Windows Live is not one of them.  Having a Steamworks logo on the cover would probably be much more effective at sales since Steamworks is actually pretty awesome if you don't mind using Steam.

[Klaustrophobia]

not good for them, but it's fantastic for me.

[Ravenholme]

You're going to have to go to your store, pick your game up, and then come back home and install it when you could have just pre-loaded it on Steam.

Probably work out faster with work and all, only a five minute jaunt from my work to the nearest GAME, and then a half hour bus journey home.

[watsisname]

I've finally got BL2 pre-ordered so I'm good to go for some midget-punching skag-sniping shotgun-rocket launching mayhem.

I also still play Borderlands 1 on occasion, though I don't have the expansion packs.  Feel free to drop me an invite if you see me on and want to get a game going -- Steam name is Watsisname.

[SpardaSon21]

Crap, there's two watsisnames on Steam and I think I have may sent the inivites to the wrong one.  Are you Watsisname or watsisname?

[watsisname]

There are two watsisname's?

UNACCEPTABLE

I'm the lowercase one.

[SpardaSon21]

That's the one I thought you were at first, but Steam said you owned the DLC when you said you didn't, so I was worried.

[The E]

For those of us who've preordered on Steam, the preloads are now live.

[SpardaSon21]

Awesome, I'll start the preload immediately.

[MP-Ryan]

Preloaded yesterday.

[watsisname]

Same here.  Only 2 days left to go!

[Ravenholme]

Same here.  Only 2 days left to go!

4 or 5 for those of us not in the US