[Unknown Target]

So the Internetocracyy movement is running into the same issue that Occupy had; creating Facebook a group to allow people to join, but also trying to get people to discuss on the forums so the discussions can be more in depth and, more importantly, saved for posterity. However, most people, due to convenience most likely, prefer to only post on Facebook. What precedents are there for successful Facebook/forum integration with projects? How does one prevent (or should they even?) Facebook from gobbling all useful discussion?

Relevant links:

http://internetocracy.co/
http://www.facebook.com/groups/261565010627816/
http://internetocracy.co/forum

[Polpolion]

I don't think there's anything you can do unless you or a group of like minded individuals own majority share in Facebook. If we pretend you did then all you'll need to do is slowly transform Facebook from the cluster**** it is now into something that's actually useful. If you boil out all of the garbage you'd get something like your typical internet forum where subforums are defined by associations with posters. (I say "something like" pretty loosely here, what I'm trying to get at here is really nothing like that at all from a technical pov)

But more realistically I've got a bad feeling that everything on the internet is going to ****, and I'm not sure if I just haven't noticed it before or it's going to **** faster now. Facebook is a cesspit of advertisements, bull**** games, and people spewing nonsense. Youtube is turning into television, more popular videos are becoming unwatchable unless you want an incredible amount of commercials. You know what, I think the internet isn't much different as it's always been, I'm just getting more and more annoyed by advertisements and people making painfully ignorant remarks.

EDIT: And having a place to say stupid things and be an ignorant **** isn't all that bad either, now that I think about it. Some people use Facebook, some people use IRC, etc. Can't really expect people to be 5 srs take-30-minutes-to-compose-a-response all the time, especially on the internet.

[Unknown Target]

Well I'm not saying change Facebook so much as how do we handle it as a tool of organization? You don't have to be super serial on forums all the time (like for instance, HLP), the benefit is that you can actually keep a good record of the conversations that are being had.

[Polpolion]

Well Facebook certainly isn't deleting any of your stuff, so I'm not so sure what the big deal is.

[Unknown Target]

Topics don't have headers, they're not well arranged for discussion, they're not searchable, and they vanish off the page relatively quickly with no easy way of easily grabbing them again.

[Klaustrophobia]

anyone who thinks facebook is the way to get anything to succeed, be it a "social movement", band, business, or your misguided attempt at professional photography, deserves to fail.

it's like myspace all over again, except it expanded out from teenagers who thought they were the next great band.

[Flipside]

The weakness of Facebook, like Twitter, is why everyone loves it and why it's useless for what everyone wants to use it for.

Let's have a thumbs up for someone else fixing the worlds' problems

[Nuke]

social networking sites is just a sandbox for everyone to piss in. it really has no fixed purpose the way something like google code or photobucket has. whats happened is that a lot of special purpose sites are stepping in and taking away all the buisness from the catchall sites, so the only thing left is the dickwads who normally hang around there. for some time ive been wanting to do kind of a tech blog about various projects ive done. but sticking it on facebook is just like talking shop at a bar. people go to bars to screw around, not to have serious discussions about important issues.

the flip side is all the special purpose sites are usually too restrictive to do a general blog covering many loosely related topics. photobucket and youtube is a good place to show off graphics projects where they arent so good for electonics or programming topics and something like google code might let me put software and firmware source out there and have technical discussions about it, but it doesnt cover my other intrests. it kinda makes me miss the days where you just did everything in html and got your own chunk of webspace from one of the many free webspace providers that were around at the time. social networking has made a lot of those seem to dry up.

[jr2]

Google needs to offer free web hosting with paid options for more storage.

Wait

Does that fit the bill? 

[Nuke]

you dont actually think im going to do it? do you? im far too lazy for that.