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So, I've always thought that we were being a little arrogant when we declared 97% of DNA to be 'junk', after understanding 3%  :rolleyes:  Brings to mind images of monkeys trying to reverse engineer a nuclear sub on the beach.

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Genome analysis gives new respect to so-called ‘junk DNA’
David Brown
Posted:  09/06/2012 5:00 AM
     
Most of a person’s genetic risk for common diseases such as diabetes, asthma and hardening of the arteries appears to lie in the shadowy part of the human genome once disparaged as “junk DNA."

Indeed, the vast majority of human DNA seems to be involved in maintaining individuals’ well-being — a view radically at odds with what biologists have thought for the last three decades.

Those are among the key insights of a nine-year project to study the 97 percent of the human genome that’s not, strictly speaking, made up of genes.

The Encyclopedia of DNA Elements Project, nicknamed Encode, is the most comprehensive effort to make sense of the totality of the 3 billion nucleotides that are packed into our cells.

The project’s chief discovery is the identification of about 4 million sites involved in regulating gene activity. Previously, only a few thousand such sites were known. In all, at least 80 percent  of the genome appears to be active at least sometime in our lives. Further research may reveal that virtually all of the DNA passed down from generation to generation has been kept for a reason.

“This concept of ‘junk DNA’ is really not accurate. It is an outdated metaphor," said Richard Myers of the HudsonAlpha Institute for Biotechnology, in Alabama, and one of the leaders of the project involving more than 400 scientists at 32 institutions.

“The genome is just alive with stuff. We just really didn’t realize that beforehand," said Ewan Birney of the European Bioinformatics Institute in England, another Encode leader.

“What I am sure of is that this is the science for this century," he said. “In this century we will be working out how humans are made from this instruction manual."

The new insights are contained in six papers published Wednesday in the journal Nature. More than 20 related papers are appearing elsewhere.

The human genome consists of about 3 billion nucleotides — the “letters" — strung one to another in chains. Specific stretches of those nucleotides carry the instructions for making specific proteins. The proteins, in turn, become the blocks of tissues and the enzymes, hormones and carrier molecules that do most of the cell’s work.

‘Didn’t know how to read it’



The Human Genome Project identified the correct linear sequence of those letters. At its completion in 2003, only 21,000 genes had been identified — far fewer than most biologists predicted. Furthermore, the genes comprised only 3 percent of the cell’s DNA, leaving biologists to wonder about what function, if any, the remaining 97 percent had. Encode was created to try to answer that question.

“Back then we got the book, but we didn’t know how to read it," said Elise Feingold of the National Human Genome Research Institute, the federal agency that provided about $200 million for the project.

The new research helps explain how so few genes can create an organism as complex as a human being. The answer is that regulation — turning genes on and off at different times in different types of cells, adjusting a gene’s output and coordinating its activities with other genes — is where most of the action is.

The importance and subtlety of gene regulation is not a new idea. Nor is the idea that parts of the genome once thought to be “junk" may have some use. What the Encode findings reveal is the magnitude of the regulation.

In one paper, a team led by Thomas Gingeras of Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory in New York, reported that three-quarters of the genome’s DNA is “transcribed" into a related molecule, RNA, at some point in life. A small amount of that RNA is then “translated" into protein. Much of the rest appears to have gene-regulating activities that remain to be discovered.

In a telephone conference call with reporters, several of the researchers likened the 4 million regulatory sites to electrical switches in a hugely complex wiring diagram.

By turning switches on and off, and varying the duration of their activity, a nearly infinite number of circuits can be formed. Similarly, by activating and modulating gene function, immensely complicated events such as the development of a brain cell or a liver cell from the same starting materials is possible.

To see the switches in their different states, the researchers used more than 150 different cell types and conducted about 1,600 experiments altogether.

“There is a modest number of genes and an immense number of elements that choreograph how those genes are used," said Eric Green, director of the National Human Genome Research Institute.


 

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I love journalists who cover science.

We've known for at least a decade (since that's when I learned about it at university) that junk DNA isn't junk, just that its sequences that don't code directly for proteins.  Activation and splicing switches have been documented in non-coding regions for many years.  This project is simply a large-scale documentation of as many of the switches as have been found to date - no small feat, but these were not the people who conclusively showed that non-coding regions aren't junk...
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Hmm.  I could swear I've heard people still calling it junk though (not just referring to it, actually saying it was useless garbage information).

 

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Hmm.  I could swear I've heard people still calling it junk though (not just referring to it, actually saying it was useless garbage information).

Yeah, people say a lot of things. On occasion I still hear people say that we only use 10% of our brains.

 

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Yea I hear that too.  Is there relevant information out now that says otherwise?

 

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Oh boy.  First I learn that 100% of the brain is used at one point or another (although, I did not think that the 10% was tucked away into a corner, that doesn't make sense, I don't know how you could believe that unless you really didn't have any idea about the brain... I knew different functions were spread out, so I assumed the 10% was spread out) AND NOW... I get to swim right after eating!!  Although, again, the legend didn't make sense as stated, I always assumed you might get cramps, so little kids should wait a while, but not that the cramps would magically make you drown, just that it would be severely uncomfortable (who wants cramps?? I figured this was why adults probably wouldn't want to do it) and could possibly be dangerous in the right circumstances.

EDIT: I'm going to have to take a trip through snopes... I've used it to search before, but I guess I should have figured that there was more misinformation out there than I had believed..

EDIT2: OK, so I had previously figured that the birther deal was an issue that had some doubt, but not enough evidence IMESHO to make a fuss.  However, after reading the Snopes article... there is no problem here, it's been thoroughly debunked.  So...

A) Why would anyone support such a thing?  Regardless if Obama was the next Hitler, I wouldn't go about spouting false claims that he wasn't natural born if the evidence didn't support that.

B) It looks like the people who came up with the supposed evidence that the certificate was fake found what they thought was a problem (good), but then failed to follow up and research their suppositions until they came up with facts (not good), or, better yet, find trustworthy experts in the field to check the facts for them.

:wtf:   I've been operating too much on the assumption that people will not knowingly try to deceive others over high-profile issues in this day and age, because they will be eventually called out on it, and then will have successfully shot themselves in the foot.  But apparently, it's pretty easy to get away with.  So, I don't understand why those wishing to debunk birther myths couldn't have explained things the way Snopes did: simple, factual, to-the-point, with references.  If they had had that on the news etc, it would have been a case of "ah, ok, false alarm, NEXT!" at lest for me.

And, I was surprised to learn that the supposed "evidence of tampering" in the Adobe file was the presence of layers that are a common side effect of the OCR software trying to sort what is background noise and what isn't.


Having said all that, I still believe that there is a chance that the birthers are right.
I also believe that there is a chance that the world will end in 2012.  Probably about the same chance as the birthers being right
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I've been operating too much on the assumption that people will not knowingly try to deceive others over high-profile issues in this day and age, because they will be eventually called out on it, and then will have successfully shot themselves in the foot.  But apparently, it's pretty easy to get away with.  So, I don't understand why those wishing to debunk birther myths couldn't have explained things the way Snopes did: simple, factual, to-the-point, with references.

The thing is, almost no one gives a **** about the truth. People only want to hear what sounds right to then, what supports and reinforces the beliefs they already hold. The powers that be know this and will say literally anything as long as it keeps people behaving the way they want them to. The real mark of a wise man is willingness to challenge one's views and change them if proven wrong.

EDIT: Oh and the whole birther thing is pretty much just thinly veiled racism.
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Hmm.  Well, personally, disagreeing with Obama's policies and thinking that they will harm the country, I felt sorry for anyone of african american descent, as the policies of Obama will probably be used as further confirmation in the eyes of racist bigots to continue in their ways.  :ick:  I liked Herman Cain's 9/9/9 tax idea.  (Just to get out of debt, then it'd have to be adjusted down as necessary, of course, that would never happen as Congress would use all of the extra income in two flat seconds and probably keep us in debt because of it, but w/e).

 

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I liked Herman Cain's 9/9/9 tax idea.

The one that sent every actual economist into uncontrollable fits of laughter?  That 9/9/9 tax idea?
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Sure


EDIT: Do I really have to say the obvious?  No loopholes?  :nono:
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Sure

EDIT: Do I really have to say the obvious?  No loopholes?  :nono:

Even with no loopholes, 9/9/9 does not produce enough revenue to sustain the US fiscal system.
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Ah, then, I guess the question would be, currently, how much money is actually being paid in total taxes currently, with all those wonderful loopholes, and then, what would 9/9/9 generate with no loopholes.

EDIT: charts for year 2010 here, now what to search for to find total income of all businesses and households in the US...
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Maybe I'll try listening to that with my headphones later.  At least for the first minute or so, I have a hard time hearing without turning the volume all the way up, and I don't want to disturb the others in the common area.  Will have to grab my headphones later and listen.