[Bobboau]

New French cartoons inflame prophet film tensions

good for France

[StarSlayer]

At this point I think the rest of the world should just deluge them with objectionable material until they all die of apoplectic fits.

 

[perihelion]

I wonder, is it possible to offend someone to death?  Obviously it is possible to offend someone into committing poorly justified homicide, but actually offending someone to death???  'Cuz that would be pretty awesome.  I mean, I think I might have just discovered my true calling here.

[Bobboau]

if they get worked up enough it could trigger an aneurism or hear attack.

[Nemesis6]

It's like a game of hot potato -- Here, whoever has the potato makes the crazy people angry, so keep passing it around.

[Thaeris]

You know, I have to agree with this:

"Freedom of opinion should not be by insulting religions," Dheini said, carrying his son Sajed, 4, who was dressed in camouflage military uniform.

It is entirely true that the reaction of the Moslem world to these jokes or insults is uncalled for, but those making the insults should bear better regard for who is on the biting end of their statements. Especially when it is well-known that such behavior will prompt extremely poor behavior on behalf of the vocal populace that is effected.

To make an analogy: it is your right to be racist if you so choose, but deciding to express those notions at the expense of others will bring the consequences upon you for doing so. After all, I don't think anyone here would be lending support to a racist group making insulting "blackface" comics now, would they...

[Flipside]

"This is a disgraceful and hateful, useless and stupid provocation," Dalil Boubakeur, rector of the Grand Paris Mosque, told The Associated Press. "(But) we are not Pavlov's animals to react at each insult."

To be honest, this is the attitude of most Muslims towards it, as someone else pointed out, about 10,000 rioters out of over a Billion Muslims is not really a definitive sample.

Still it'll be hilarious right up until some nutcase detonates themselves in a shopping centre for revenge...

[Mongoose]

You know, I have to agree with this:

"Freedom of opinion should not be by insulting religions," Dheini said, carrying his son Sajed, 4, who was dressed in camouflage military uniform.

It is entirely true that the reaction of the Moslem world to these jokes or insults is uncalled for, but those making the insults should bear better regard for who is on the biting end of their statements. Especially when it is well-known that such behavior will prompt extremely poor behavior on behalf of the vocal populace that is effected.

To make an analogy: it is your right to be racist if you so choose, but deciding to express those notions at the expense of others will bring the consequences upon you for doing so. After all, I don't think anyone here would be lending support to a racist group making insulting "blackface" comics now, would they...

Exactly.  There's not much "good" in being assholes just for the sake of being assholes.  And again, the cowards who publish that magazine are probably not the ones who are going to have to pay the price for this.

[Bobboau]

when someone reacts inappropriately violent we should do what ever they say.

[Flipside]

When we are deliberately going out of our way to anger them, that argument is moot.

So our method of forcing what we believe down their throats is to deliberately insult what they believe?

I mean, for Gods sake, we bombed two countries for 'attacking our Freedom...'

[jr2]

slight difference in attack method, there...

[mjn.mixael]

$5 says that the day some extremist comes for Bobboau because he happens to live in a country that needlessly insulted on the extremist's religion.. he'll change his tune. Till then, we'll keep seeing these kinds of topics and posts from him...

I was not surprised by the topic content when I saw the title and who posted it.

[Flipside]

slight difference in attack method, there...

But not in the motivations behind it. America was attacked at a fundamental level, it's very basis is on the concept of Freedom and Entrepreneurialism, and when those were attacked the response resulted in far, far more death and destruction than these riots have. Whether justified or not, accusing Muslims reaction to having the basis of their society attacked of being 'over the top' is somewhat interesting.

[Bobboau]

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$5 says that the day some extremist comes for Bobboau because he happens to live in a country that needlessly insulted on the extremist's religion.. he'll change his tune. Till then, we'll keep seeing these kinds of topics and posts from him...

9/11
we have been hit if you haven’t noticed. maybe when one of them comes for you because you said you don't think Mohamed is the prophet of god YOU will change your tune.

[Flipside]

There's a large difference between having the right to not be Muslim and deliberately insulting Muslims though. If there were riots in the Middle East over the growing Gay Marriage laws in the Western World, I wouldn't give a ****, if there were riots over Western Women not wearing head-coverings then, once again, I wouldn't give a ****, because in both cases, it's nothing to do with these people. However, deliberately insulting something that IS close to them, their society and their way of life is a whole other story.

[mjn.mixael]

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$5 says that the day some extremist comes for Bobboau because he happens to live in a country that needlessly insulted on the extremist's religion.. he'll change his tune. Till then, we'll keep seeing these kinds of topics and posts from him...

9/11
we have been hit if you haven’t noticed. maybe when one of them comes for you because you said you don't think Mohamed is the prophet of god YOU will change your tune.

You missed (or ignored) my point. I mean you specifically and personally, not "we" as in the US.

And if the day comes that someone holds a gun to my head and tries to force me to believe in Mohamed, I hope I don't give in. I don't think I will.. but then again, I'm a middle class American that doesn't face those kinds of situations ever. Though I guarantee my faith is much stronger than your resolve to shame any person who believes in anything spiritual regardless of cost... 

[Bobboau]

some people respond to being threatened by becoming more obstinate and confrontational.

[Flipside]

Noting wrong with that, we have every right to stand up for what we believe in, and like you, my response would be '**** off' if someone tried to force me to change religion. But it is possible, and considerably more mature to be stubborn without being abusive.

We get angry when Muslims brand all westerners on the basis of a single movie or a few cartoons, they get angry when we brand all Muslims based on a few uneducated psychopaths, There's an easy way out of that, but it requires effort on both sides, and someone has to blink first.

[Bobboau]

"We get angry when Muslims brand all westerners on the basis of a single movie or a few cartoons,"

actually I don't care what they think, I care what they do.
[edit]actually this isn't entirely accurate I am greatly offended by their refusal to use physical evidence as their basis for understanding the world. but I just ignore it for the most part.[/edit]


"they get angry when we brand all Muslims based on a few uneducated psychopaths,"

I don't see how bowing to the psychopaths will help. anyone.

[Flipside]

Just because the rioting ones are featured on the news, that does not mean that they are the only ones with an opinion. Seems to me the plan is just to keep on insulting them until they snap and then point and say 'Look! Told you they were crazy!".

If someone spent enough time taunting you and your beliefs, you would eventually snap at them, does that make you a psychopath too? As I've said before, the reaction to the original Mohammed cartoons was somewhat silly, but the decision to keep poking the Muslims by deliberately publishing more was just plain trolling.

The low levels of education in these countries means that most of these people do not understand the world from a greater perspective, and, to be blunt, any hope of introducing better education and a more 'Western' attitude towards peoples' rights have been killed stone dead by these publications, they've seen nothing but the very worst of Freedom of Speech for years, and people seem to actually be proud of that fact.

So if you want to help that part of the world improve Human Rights, Education and Freedom then don't expect anything for at least a decade, we've shot ourselves in the foot, and whilst these countries remain as they are, they remain a threat to others. Rather than encouraging these countries towards a more 'Free' attitude, we've done nothing but put them off it for years.