[DeltaV_11.2]

Okay. Why does it seem that people's first reaction about a bad release is "Punish them!" The economy was in a bad shape, Kerberos was loosing people, and it was release the game in an unfinished state or go out of business. Given all of the other similar games who had basically the same sorts of problems (Legends of Pegasus, Endless Space) it stands to reason that that situation was endemic to the entire genre.

Beyond that I can't see any particular reason to complain about the release relating to The Pit because the entire idea is to prevent this sort of thing from happening.

As for those of you complaining about the game. Try playing it for ten hours. It's not that long. Since release, many features have been added that fixed the egregious issues that nearly everybody had with the mission system, like reserve transfers.

If you don't like the game, fine. That's your preference. There are certainly plenty of games that I can't stand, even though I know that many other people love the game. That doesn't mean that they, or me, are stupid, or that the game is some sort of "lower-class," "elitist," "mind-numbing," game, or any other sort of derogatory term.

[SpardaSon21]

The premise is simple: if you release a non-functional product, you do not deserve to keep earning money.  I'm sure even a hardline socialist will agree that bad products do not deserve to keep getting money spent on them.

[Ace]

A new indie project by Kerberos. A light rouge-like action RPG. Check it out.

Oooh I like pink action RPGs! Do we get unicorns and ponies?

[DeltaV_11.2]

The premise is simple: if you release a non-functional product, you do not deserve to keep earning money.  I'm sure even a hardline socialist will agree that bad products do not deserve to keep getting money spent on them.

Okay, apart from Keberos and SOTS2.

The market does not say you "deserve" anything. Markets function by companies which cannot sell their product going out of business, leaving the products that people are willing to buy. These may be anything, even products that are inefficient, dangerous, or unusable. The idea that as a consumer you have a right to a functional product is socialist in its nature, and it is a misconstruction of a free market system to assign such characteristics to it.

[General Battuta]

I would certainly not let my dollars within a million miles of Kerberos after SOTS2. I'd go so far as to say their practices up to and surrounding release were actively deceptive.

[SpardaSon21]

The premise is simple: if you release a non-functional product, you do not deserve to keep earning money.  I'm sure even a hardline socialist will agree that bad products do not deserve to keep getting money spent on them.

Okay, apart from Keberos and SOTS2.

The market does not say you "deserve" anything. Markets function by companies which cannot sell their product going out of business, leaving the products that people are willing to buy. These may be anything, even products that are inefficient, dangerous, or unusable. The idea that as a consumer you have a right to a functional product is socialist in its nature, and it is a misconstruction of a free market system to assign such characteristics to it.

Wait, am I being accused of being a socialist now?

Kerberos is perfectly free to release garbage.  We consumers are also perfectly free to spend money on products that work.  A company that does not release a functional product does not deserve my money.

[TrashMan]

The premise is simple: if you release a non-functional product, you do not deserve to keep earning money.  I'm sure even a hardline socialist will agree that bad products do not deserve to keep getting money spent on them.

They aren't bad products. SOTS2 is a great title. Period.

And deserves? Who deserves what? Who are you to decide who deserves what?
Carefull with that kind of attitude, lest one day someone else starts to decide what you deserve.

I support Kerberops and will support it because their games are inovative and deep. Because they support their games and really put their hart into it. The Industry needs more companies like that, instead of a procession of sterilized, soulless clones and rip-offs.
And again, everyone got their money back, so what exactly is the problem?
You lost NOTHING (except maybe bandwith to DL the game)

In the end, what is the difference between waiting a few months for the game to be patched or waiting a few months for the game to be released? Nothing. You get the play the game a few months later and you spent the same amount of $$$ in both cases.

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God, I hope I never stumble when near you. You'd just jump on me and kill me while I'm still on the ground. You perfect beings clearly do never learn from mistakes because you never make them. And if you did ever make a fumble, you'd take your own lives as atonmenet, becasue clearly nothing else is sufficient.
 
"Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."



Dislike Kerberos of SOTS2 all you like, but this thread is about The Pit.
Unfortunately it is my own fault for adding the SOTS2 news in the title, despite knowing what might happen.
Had I not (and had I not been the poster), cerain individuals would have probably ignored the thread and one could actually discuss the Pit.


Seeing as the temptation to argue with me is far too great among some to control themselves, the only way for this thread to be salvaged is for someone to leave. Since I doubt the individuals in question will control themsleves OR leave then I guess it's up to me.

Later.

[headdie]

Toyotas are great cars, but you can bet if they release a model that dont start well, starts poorly or is incapable of navigating tight turns, each and every consumer who bought one can expect either their money back, a replacement vehicle and or a recall to have that fault corrected, why? because it is a consumer's right to expect that anything they buy, be it a £30,000+ car or a £5 indie game, works as advertised on day 1 and if that product fails in that expectation then it is the producer's fault and their necessity to remedy.

The fact that they have patched the game since then is relevant to the fact that what they did was a criminal act by misleading the consumer and/or distributing faulty goods.

[Mikes]

Toyotas are great cars, but you can bet if they release a model that dont start well, starts poorly or is incapable of navigating tight turns, each and every consumer who bought one can expect either their money back, a replacement vehicle and or a recall to have that fault corrected, why? because it is a consumer's right to expect that anything they buy, be it a £30,000+ car or a £5 indie game, works as advertised on day 1 and if that product fails in that expectation then it is the producer's fault and their necessity to remedy.

The fact that they have patched the game since then is relevant to the fact that what they did was a criminal act by misleading the consumer and/or distributing faulty goods.

Yeah because cars and software/games are so totally comparable.

[NGTM-1R]

If they're not actually functional out of the box and the seller lies about that, yeah, they are; they suck up your money and don't work.

I still remember that it took almost a week for it to be acknowledged the release version was unplayable, and no effort was ever made to get retailers to warn people they were buying effectively open alpha or open beta versions.

[TrashMan]

Some new art and updates on the Pit:

http://sots-thepit.com/

[SypheDMar]

This... doesn't look that great.

[TrashMan]

It's a 10$ simple title life FTL.
You shouldn't expect too much graphics-wise.