[mjn.mixael]

Ultimately, by far the best thing you could possibly do to help get mods out faster is learn to FRED and help out an existing team. No question about it.

Yup.

[Rodo]

Nah, you just need to set your objectives lower, and new people coming in (preferably newbies) to keep the wheel rolling.

[Nuke]

Ultimately, by far the best thing you could possibly do to help get mods out faster is learn to FRED and help out an existing team. No question about it.

Yup.

unless of course you are an antisocial psychopath who doesn't get along well with others

[Spoon]

What you are seeing is old projects that were dead for years finally rolling over into their graves. A grave lack of new motivated modders joining and existing modders getting demotivated on continueing on whatever it is they are working on.

The communities expectations have soared over the years and consequently, the production cycles on new campaigns has become incredibly long to meet these quality demands. And its hard to remain motivated when it all seems to start to look like *work*. It's also hard to stay motivated when your hard work gets sort of ignored or doesn't get any replies with any kind of substance. Rough gems like The Antagonist seem to be mostly ignored or forgotten (it isnt even listed on the wiki campaign list?) and the technical (and hilarious) masterpiece that is JAD2.21 has a mere 4 pages worth of posts. (I know its hard to have a sensible discussion about the JAD universe and all but come on...)

Motivation comes from many things but I've noticed that HLP is actually a pretty strong place to get demotivated from. Admins and SCP coders that seemingly can't be bothered to get involved in any of the mods. Old members that stopped playing but refuse to move onto the great beyond. And all those things that is funest for a continued healthy modding&player community.

HLP is definitely losing steam, it may not be on the brink of having a cardiac arrest yet but its not exactly looking up right now. Mods in general are slowly becoming a thing of the past, with all the time and effort you need to put into a mod to make yourself stand out, you might as well go indie now a days.

[MatthTheGeek]

Rough gems like The Antagonist seem to be mostly ignored or forgotten (it isnt even listed on the wiki campaign list?) and the technical (and hilarious) masterpiece that is JAD2.21 has a mere 4 pages worth of posts. (I know its hard to have a sensible discussion about the JAD universe and all but come on...)

Why are you using irrelevant parameters to judge of the popularity of a campaign ?

[Droid803]

Because posts is the only measure of epeen.

[Spoon]

Rough gems like The Antagonist seem to be mostly ignored or forgotten (it isnt even listed on the wiki campaign list?) and the technical (and hilarious) masterpiece that is JAD2.21 has a mere 4 pages worth of posts. (I know its hard to have a sensible discussion about the JAD universe and all but come on...)

Why are you using irrelevant parameters to judge of the popularity of a campaign ?

You are taking it out of context if you remove this line:

It's also hard to stay motivated when your hard work gets sort of ignored or doesn't get any replies with any kind of substance.

It's not about popularity but about motivation.
Seeing your work getting discussed in the finer details or reading a well written review about it, is motivating.
Watching tumbleweeds pass by in a ghost thread is not.

[General Battuta]

Yeah, I agree, something's wrong.

[wistler]

I think modding may have seemed to have slowed down in general, but the style might be changing somewhat.
If you ask, "how many big mods are still active?" the answer will be low. But if you asked "how many people are working on personal projects that may or may no get released?" I think the answer would be a lot higher.

HLP can also have a negative vibe. I see some of the things aimed at Spoon regarding WOD and it pis$es me off? And for what? Because he built a great mod by himself that must have took hundreds of hours, and put it on the internet for free? Aggro like that can put people off releasing what are potentially good mods.

[rubixcube]

HLP can also have a negative vibe. I see some of the things aimed at Spoon regarding WOD and it pis$es me off? And for what? Because he built a great mod by himself that must have took hundreds of hours, and put it on the internet for free? Aggro like that can put people off releasing what are potentially good mods.

Indeed, please tell spoon we all love WOD and not to give up on it.

[Droid803]

HLP can also have a negative vibe. I see some of the things aimed at Spoon regarding WOD and it pis$es me off? And for what? Because he built a great mod by himself that must have took hundreds of hours, and put it on the internet for free? Aggro like that can put people off releasing what are potentially good mods.

Indeed, please tell spoon we all love WOD and not to give up on it.

Preferably in a non-creepy fashion, if at all possible.

[SpardaSon21]

Like you're one to talk about creepy, Little Miss Crippled Orphan Loli.

(No, you're not supposed to know what I'm talking about. )

[Mongoose]

HLP is definitely losing steam, it may not be on the brink of having a cardiac arrest yet but its not exactly looking up right now. Mods in general are slowly becoming a thing of the past, with all the time and effort you need to put into a mod to make yourself stand out, you might as well go indie now a days.

See, I don't really think this is necessarily the case.  There's been an absolute ****load of new content released over the past year or two, most of which I sadly haven't even managed to play yet.  I mean, we've had two huge long-term TCs based on established universes drop within a few months of each other.  Add to that the few complete projects and add-ons of original universes, plus the handful of FS-related stuff, and people have been pretty damn busy recently.  There have been a few older projects that have thrown in the towel during that time, but as you noted, most of those were already dead for all intents and purposes long before the final announcement was made.  All things considered, I think we're doing okay.

[Spoon]

Why did this turn into a 'Cheer Spoon on' thread? 

[The E]

Because why not.

[NGTM-1R]

Why did this turn into a 'Cheer Spoon on' thread? 

Hey, it's a good use of the time.

[rubixcube]

Why did this turn into a 'Cheer Spoon on' thread? 

Sorry, mostly my fault 

[General Battuta]

HLP is definitely losing steam, it may not be on the brink of having a cardiac arrest yet but its not exactly looking up right now. Mods in general are slowly becoming a thing of the past, with all the time and effort you need to put into a mod to make yourself stand out, you might as well go indie now a days.

See, I don't really think this is necessarily the case.  There's been an absolute ****load of new content released over the past year or two, most of which I sadly haven't even managed to play yet.  I mean, we've had two huge long-term TCs based on established universes drop within a few months of each other.  Add to that the few complete projects and add-ons of original universes, plus the handful of FS-related stuff, and people have been pretty damn busy recently.  There have been a few older projects that have thrown in the towel during that time, but as you noted, most of those were already dead for all intents and purposes long before the final announcement was made.  All things considered, I think we're doing okay.

I'd like to believe this but a lot of the big content creators who've been around forever do not agree.

[Droid803]

HLP is definitely losing steam, it may not be on the brink of having a cardiac arrest yet but its not exactly looking up right now. Mods in general are slowly becoming a thing of the past, with all the time and effort you need to put into a mod to make yourself stand out, you might as well go indie now a days.

See, I don't really think this is necessarily the case.  There's been an absolute ****load of new content released over the past year or two, most of which I sadly haven't even managed to play yet.  I mean, we've had two huge long-term TCs based on established universes drop within a few months of each other.  Add to that the few complete projects and add-ons of original universes, plus the handful of FS-related stuff, and people have been pretty damn busy recently.  There have been a few older projects that have thrown in the towel during that time, but as you noted, most of those were already dead for all intents and purposes long before the final announcement was made.  All things considered, I think we're doing okay.

I'd like to believe this but a lot of the big content creators who've been around forever do not agree.

It's the rising standards and the exponentially increasing time/effort required to meet them.
I mean higher quality stuff is a good thing.
But everything else about it isn't.

[karajorma]

On the other hand, I've been hearing about how the community is dying for as long as I've been here.