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Re: Boobs, Drugs and Physics, this one's got it all
What I find hilarious though is the fact that there are drug smuggling gangs who will give their mule four pounds of cocaine and then forget to actually meet the guy so they can get it back off him. :D
He was to smuggle them into the USA, which he nearly did.

The Boobs would then ask the Physics to give the Drugs to someone after arriving in the States.
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Maybe, but why not get him to fly from Bolivia straight to the US?

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Instead, Frampton says he was met by a man who gave him a suitcase, identifying himself as an intermediary for Milani, and instructing him to take it to her in Argentina.

 Once there, he says he could not find her and decided to board a plane home, with that suitcase in hand. Police opened it up at the airport and found more than four pounds of cocaine inside.


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Re: Boobs, Drugs and Physics, this one's got it all
That I don't know, they might have wanted to play games with the guy for their collective giggles, or games with the TSA with the drugs coming from a different country than expected, or they have some established paths to smuggle stuff...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/08/world/americas/for-drug-traffickers-argentina-has-become-a-destination.html?_r=0

Looks like Argentina seems to be a both pit stop and a destination for smugglers, so after further reading it's hard to tell where the suitcase was to be delivered.

I'd still vote US though, but not with near 100% certainty.
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Given the fact that I suspect he knew what he was doing, he probably was meant to take the bag to the US to meet her but concocted the story about not meeting her and heading home. The alternative is rather silly.
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Re: Boobs, Drugs and Physics, this one's got it all
In the usual New York Times fashion, half of that article is actually pretty accurate data, and the other half of it is misleading information and statements that blatantly ignore our historical background and laws. But from what I've investigated about them so far, that seems to be another day in the office for this Emily Schamll and her polemical boss Mark Thompson.

 

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It's cute when you use words you apparently don't understand.

But more seriously, does a mirror hurt that much? Argentina has had a somewhat turbulent relationship with reality impacting on its nationalism, so when an Argentine stands up to bat for their country I'm not really inclined to treat them seriously unless they provide verifiable details.
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Re: Boobs, Drugs and Physics, this one's got it all
It's cute when you use words you apparently don't understand.
What words exactly? Despite my efforts I'm not a native speaker, it does helps to get some positive feedback instead of patronizing treatment (though I guess I really can't expect something else from you).

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But more seriously, does a mirror hurt that much?
Not in the least. A lot of what she says is true. Every country has problems (Hell! Even the US has problems). I think it's not something to be ashamed of. We're doing everything we can to take care of this problem, but we're doing it our way, not taking hints from foreign media corporations.

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Argentina has had a somewhat turbulent relationship with reality impacting on its nationalism, so when an Argentine stands up to bat for their country I'm not really inclined to treat them seriously unless they provide verifiable details.
Ermmm... aren't you supposed to ask HER for verifiable details? Her call to "aim the full might of its military on traffickers" ignores that it is illegal for the Argentinean military to intervene in internal conflicts after the Dirty War. You see, tortures, forced disappearances, state-sponsored terrorism and a civil war between the leftist guerrillas and the armed forces leave countries in a touchy mood with this kind of things. There are other things to be said of that article, like citing Claudio Izaguirre as an unbiased authority figure when he is a highly polemical individual with frequent outbursts of xenophobia. But really, the thing that really bothers me is the way she hints that we should get the military to intervene when even she has to admit that we've been doing things the right way so far (drug raids every day, drug traffickers being brought to justice, etc.) So what does she wants the military involvement for? She knows about our country and its historical background with the armed forces, she's not just being ignorant.

Now may I ask you, why are you saying I use words without knowing them, and then you judge a whole nation without knowing it? That's prejudice, you know. Not the most rational thing from someone who demands "verifiable details".

 
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*Double posting for great justice.*

Now, on for the second part. Let's speculate a bit, as a mind excercise. Let's wonder: Why would the New York Times publish an article like that, knowing full well what they're asking for? why would the New York Times want the military's involvement, when it would take a coup d'etat to get them involved in the first place? Well, this is where it comes to speculation from my side, but based on hard data. There are some interesting things to be said about this Mark Thompson. But the one that really bothers me is:

- Mark Thompson, during his tenure in the BBC, developed ties with former Prime-Minister and former Defense Minister Ariel Sharon from Israel.
- Ariel Sharon was the Defense Minister of Israel under Prime Minister Menachem Begin during the South Atlantic Conflict between Argentina and the United Kingdom. It is my understanding that, as Defense Minister of Israel, he was responsible to oversee Israel's military industries.

Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Defense_%28Israel%29
The Ministry of Defense oversees most of the Israeli security forces, including the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), IMI, the Israel Military Industries, IAI, Israel Aircraft Industries.[1]
So any sale would have needed his approval, right?

- Israel sold armament and military equipment (I don't have an exact number, but we were indeed a major client) to Argentina during the conflict. Argentina was under a military dictatorship at the time.

So, while this still isn't enough evidence to determine without a doubt that there's something fishy behind this, it's indeed quite a suspicious connection isn't it? Sounds to me like it was easier for weapons manufacturers in Israel (and other countries, by the way) to deal with a corrupt military junta and get away with blood-tainted money (that military equipment killed British soldiers, in an avoidable conflict) than it is to deal with a democratic government and try to do the same. And weapons manufacturers seem to be the only ones who benefit from a "war on narcos", as judging by the current state of those countries Ms. Schmall postulates as examples of how to deal with the drug problem (and if you don't have friends to talk to in Mexico and Colombia and access to their press in its native language, don't even try to tell me they are doing well).



The Argentinean society in this last few years has been debating about this whole drugs problem. The two prominent factions are those who want to legalize it and put it under state regulation or control while promoting treatment for addicts, and those who want a total war against drugs and drug users. I'm willing to listen to arguments from both sides, since I sincerely think both sides have society's best interest in mind. But I want those arguments coming from rational people without a questionable background, and who understand the problem from the inside. Not from the New York Times, and not from someone like Izaguirre.

Finally, a priceless comment from the mouth of Claudio Izaguirre, Ms Schmall unbiased autority figure:
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"[...] si no metemos al Ejército a diezmar a los 30 o 40 mil tipos que están al frente de la venta de drogas en la Argentina, no los sacamos más. No se olviden de que la Fuerza Aérea Argentina tiene prohibido controlar nuestro cielo, este es otro dato más"

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"[...] if we don't get the Army involved to decimate those 30000* or 40000 guys behind drug sales in Argentina, we'll never get them out of here. Let's not forget that the Argentine Air Force isn't allowed to police our skies, that's another piece of relevant data"

*: 30000 is (oh so casually) an estimated number of people dissapeared or killed during the last dictatorship. It's not an obscure number either, it's a widely known estimation with a profound meaning in the Argentinean society.

Seems pretty clear to me that Ms. Schmall knows who she's citing and what she's pushing for...
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