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Is the US going to take the dive?

*neeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrmmmmmmm* THUD!
19 (33.3%)
*people in white coats lead Uncle Sam away from the edge*
5 (8.8%)
Snuffleupagus is dead.  Long live Snuffleupagus!
33 (57.9%)

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Offline Ravenholme

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Re: The plunge off the fiscal cliff [Poll]
I believe Obama wants to go over the fiscal cliff in order to further his agenda. He's going to try to blame the upcoming recession on the Republicans. Perhaps more sinister than that, however, is his plan to use the economic turmoil to enact even more leftist legislation.

I think your tinfoil hat might be a bit too tight mate, it's constricting blood flow to your brain.
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Offline Luis Dias

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People are so confused about the fiscal cliff. Not you, dear forumites, but the punditry in general.

Pundits were so adamant throughout these years that the big problem was the deficit that they can't get over their head that the "fiscal cliff" ain't about the "big deficit problem", but rather about solving the big deficit problem too fast. That's why everything going on on your television is hilarious to watch from afar.

 

Offline Nuke

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its so confusing i havent a clue what this thread is about after 2 ****ing pages.
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Re: The plunge off the fiscal cliff [Poll]
its so confusing i havent a clue what this thread is about after 2 ****ing pages.

Back in 2011, as the nation was approaching its debt ceiling, Congress authorized the creation of a committee that would work with the President to come up with a budget plan to reduce deficits.  If the budget that the committee presented to Congress was approved, the debt ceiling was to be raised.  If the budget proposal was rejected (and it was), the debt ceiling was to be raised less, and a set of automatic tax increases and across-the-board spending cuts were arranged to go into effect on January 1, 2013, assuming another budget proposal could not be agreed upon, before that date.  The real name for those tax increases and budget cuts is the "budget sequester," but pundits took to calling it the "fiscal cliff" because that sounds much more dramatic and makes for better television/radio/newsprint.  The reason it's come up again is because the budget issue more or less got tabled, until after the election.  Nobody in the capitol wanted to try negotiating with people who might not be in office, when it came time to implement a new budget.

Luis Dias is quite right about why the sequester is a potential problem.  It's too much austerity implemented way too quickly.  The sequester was designed to be exactly that, though.  It was meant to be a looming threat to the economy that could be pinned squarely on the government, so that government leaders would feel pressure to come up with a workable budget, prior to 2013.  See also:  1995/1996 government shutdown.  We are developing something of a history of pre-arranging a dire consequence to inaction to try to spur budget negotiation, only to find that the willingness to negotiate doesn't materialize, until said consequence is just about to strike or has already struck.

Speaking of things that got tabled for way too long, the farm bill expires tonight, so if you're in the United States and you've got milk or cheese to buy, today is probably the day to do it.  Just FYI.

 

Offline watsisname

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Lawmakers just agreed to extend the farm bill for another year.
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Offline Nuke

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Re: The plunge off the fiscal cliff [Poll]
its so confusing i havent a clue what this thread is about after 2 ****ing pages.

What, you don't get news up in Alaska? =)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/fiscal-cliff/biden-mcconnell-continue-cliff-talks-as-clock-winds-down/2012/12/31/66c044e2-534d-11e2-8b9e-dd8773594efc_story.html

its just strange to have a political thread and no article to provide context.
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Offline Flipside

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Re: The plunge off the fiscal cliff [Poll]
Dive! Dive! Dive! Hit your burners pilot!! ;)

Seriously though :-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20879174

Looks like you are going over the cliff, at least in the short-term.

 

Offline Polpolion

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Re: The plunge off the fiscal cliff [Poll]
Yep. Pretty sure any decisions they come to in the coming days can be applied retroactively so hopefully it really will be temporary. I've heard that even given that we're going to go off the cliff, revenue services aren't going to take the extra amounts from your paychecks just yet, until it's clear what's going to happen, at which point any back-taxes will be applied.

 
Re: The plunge off the fiscal cliff [Poll]
I believe [Swazi Spring is] an alt.
If he is, he isn't showing as such in the admin panel.

Neither did Unicorn20 (I presume, anyway, as he had been around for a few weeks at the least), which was an obvious alt for Mustang19 in retrospect. People and their proxies these days >.>.
But I get where you are coming from.

Quote from: blueflames
Speaking of things that got tabled for way too long, the farm bill expires tonight, so if you're in the United States and you've got milk or cheese to buy, today is probably the day to do it.  Just FYI.

What is so important about this farm bill that disastrous things would happen to milk and cheese when it no longer is in effect?
« Last Edit: December 31, 2012, 05:49:45 pm by -Joshua- »

 

Offline Aardwolf

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Re: The plunge off the fiscal cliff [Poll]
Presumably the fact that it subsidizes dairy farmers, among other things?

 
Re: The plunge off the fiscal cliff [Poll]
Quote from: BlueFlames
Speaking of things that got tabled for way too long, the farm bill expires tonight, so if you're in the United States and you've got milk or cheese to buy, today is probably the day to do it.  Just FYI.

What is so important about this farm bill that disastrous things would happen to milk and cheese when it no longer is in effect?

When the farm bill expires, we default to using a law written in 1949.  Among other things, that law effectively mandated that the federal government be the sole distributor of milk and dairy products.  That, in itself, isn't terrible, but the 1949 law specified the price at which the milk had to be purchased and called for adjustments to that price to reflect inflation from there on.  On the surface, also not terrible, but in 1949, farmers milked cows by hand.  Milk is, relatively speaking, a lot less expensive now, because there's a lot less in the way of labor costs involved in its production.  When you artificially put those labor costs back into the price of milk, conservatively, the shelf-price triples.

Congress was super-effective in 2012.  :P

 
Re: The plunge off the fiscal cliff [Poll]
So, why hasn't that law just been repealed so we don't need farm bill shenanigans?  Oh wait, it would be sensible.
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Offline Klaustrophobia

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Re: The plunge off the fiscal cliff [Poll]
rolled 3/4 of my current retirement savings to the supposed fixed return fund.  not that it will matter if the government decides to fund itself by taking it anyway.  now i have to remember to switch it back over when the market starts heading back up.
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Offline MP-Ryan

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Re: The plunge off the fiscal cliff [Poll]
Switch your investments to Canadian banks.  No ****, they're outperforming even the resource sector these days.  Stability + fees out the ass = PROFITS.

RBC, Scotiabank, BMO, CIBC.
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Offline Klaustrophobia

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this is a government-run thing.  i don't know **** to do this kind of thing on my own. 
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Offline Apollo

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Re: The plunge off the fiscal cliff [Poll]
We're so dependent on overspending that cutting our deficit will cause serious economic damage. Isn't that nice.
« Last Edit: January 01, 2013, 01:29:27 pm by Apollo »
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Offline Mikes

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Re: The plunge off the fiscal cliff [Poll]
Wow, we're so dependent on overspending that cutting our deficit will cause serious economic damage. Isn't that nice.

That causal relationship isn't nearly as clear as you appear to think it is. It may as well be the opposite.

 

Offline Apollo

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Wow, we're so dependent on overspending that cutting our deficit will cause serious economic damage. Isn't that nice.

That causal relationship isn't nearly as clear as you appear to think it is. It may as well be the opposite.

How so?

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I believe Obama wants to go over the fiscal cliff in order to further his agenda. He's going to try to blame the upcoming recession on the Republicans. Perhaps more sinister than that, however, is his plan to use the economic turmoil to enact even more leftist legislation.

I think your tinfoil hat might be a bit too tight mate, it's constricting blood flow to your brain.

While Swazi's post sounds like it came straight from Michael Savage, it's not a completely off-the-wall idea. Politicians of all ideologies often use dramatic events to push their own agendas.
« Last Edit: January 01, 2013, 04:18:40 pm by Apollo »
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Offline Polpolion

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Re: The plunge off the fiscal cliff [Poll]
It's almost like we use the events that happen during a politician's term as a means to evaluate their competence!

e: woop, misread that, or at least interpreted it funnily, my bad. But yeah, it's still neither surprising nor entirely unwelcome.
« Last Edit: January 01, 2013, 04:34:08 pm by Polpolion »