[^Graff]

From a BP canon perspective the text on the inside of the Narayana heavily favours Shivans having that tech all along.

The tech room entries on Shivan weaponry suggest the same thing.  The Shivans only deploy their more advanced stuff when the enemy is sufficiently advanced to require it.

[General Battuta]

Historically, the community consensus has broadly (but by no means universally) been that all the FS2 ships and technologies did already exist in the Shivan arsenal, but for whatever reason, they didn't deploy them during FS1. Basically, this is because of the interpretation of the FS1 ancient monologues being about a fleet based around a Lucifer, or something very similar ("In subspace they cannot use their shield"), and if this is the case, then the Shivans advanced almost not at all in 8000 years - it would be inconsistent for them to suddenly jump so far ahead in just a few decades after such a long idle period.

I'd say that this is not so much wrong as meaningless. 'Advancing' is a term that applies only to one very specific model of how a cognitive species develops.

[manwiththemachinegun]

The Lucifer fleet was explicitly labeled as a scouting force on the FS2 official box blurb if I remember right.

In any case, I'd rather we not go back to the parallel universe. That story has been played out. It was cool to see an Earth ravaged by the Shivans, but now that we're back in the 'regular' FS storyline, I'd rather we get more on the Shivan/Human conflict and tying up the GTVA UEF conflict.

[MatthTheGeek]

The Lucifer fleet was explicitly labeled as a scouting force on the FS2 official box blurb if I remember right.

You mean the FS2 box that was made by Interplay's marketting who had no idea what FS is about ?

[Crybertrance]

The Lucifer fleet was explicitly labeled as a scouting force on the FS2 official box blurb if I remember right.

You mean the FS2 box that was made by Interplay's marketting who had no idea what FS is about ?

Wouldn't that be cannon nonetheless?

[MatthTheGeek]

Yes. Cannon.



Sorry, couldn't resist

[The E]

The Lucifer fleet was explicitly labeled as a scouting force on the FS2 official box blurb if I remember right.

You mean the FS2 box that was made by Interplay's marketting who had no idea what FS is about ?

Wouldn't that be cannon nonetheless?

No, it wouldn't be. Just like the side-mounted multiparts on the Deimos aren't canon.

There's only one rule for FS2 canon. In-game > Techroom > CB anis > Cutscenes.

[headdie]

The Lucifer fleet was explicitly labeled as a scouting force on the FS2 official box blurb if I remember right.

You mean the FS2 box that was made by Interplay's marketting who had no idea what FS is about ?

Wouldn't that be cannon nonetheless?

it's questionable, you could think of there being several levels of canon.
the top level is any related content where there is no contradiction
Next is content that has contradictions
Then cut scenes and anims as they were contracted out by
Finally any Interplay rubbish but as they have very little to do with the actual development of the story it is very questionable if this counts, after all both the FS1 and FS2 box arts contain inaccuracies compared to the game inside

[Colonol Dekker]

But, . . . . . where does the selective Canon end? The lines,..........they are BLURRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrring!

[Luis Dias]

Of course they didn't exist before FS2. The Volition designers hadn't made them up yet.

(runs away)

[-Sara-]

Some ideas for a sanctuary campaign:

* Mutiny: the crew is divided on a very difficult moral question, in example if to hide or find survivors and if leaving the survivors as bait gains them a run for the jumpnode. Loyalty clashes with desperation.
* Betrayal: the facilities on the ship were damaged during the escape. There are too many mouths to feed, too many lungs that need to breathe. Part of the sleepers must not wake up, but it has to look like an accident.
* Truths: Some of the sleepers experience Nagiri and find out what the Shivans and Vishnans want. They try to reach out to Hammer of Light dreamers but the fanatics instead become an enemy, desperate to enforce the great destroyer's plan.
* Hope: Part of the crew colonizes a world of the ancients, finding out about the connection between subspace and realities. They trigger the wrath of something horrible which instigates the culling of our main universe in fear of change to which it can't addapt. A certain and former GTI officer named Aken Bosch informs his main universe counterpart where to find and how to finish the work he started. Evidence he finds in the ancient ruins show that the Vishnans must not be trusted, his counterpart can only turn towards the enemy.
* Lies: Very dark choices are made to preserve the sanctuary and the knowledge of the Nagiri gifted  within. The ship is a key to close or open realities and for it to exist means that Earth had to fall for a sinister but nescessary reason. But to escape from this reality it needs allies from another reality to see it safely out into our realm. It sets the plan in motion to draw the unsuspecting Orestus and her fleet to their version of Sol, delivering Bei to the Vishans, in return for survival and protection for all of mankind from the Shivans. But promises are broken and as a result judgement will be passed.

[headdie]

I'm liking a lot of the ideas there sara

[docfu]

I think a Sanctuary campaign would basically be...Battlestar Gallactica.

So, lots of ideas there...

[Phantom Hoover]

Not really. The Sanctuary didn't travel far beyond GTVA space, so the most interesting part of its story is how it was built and crewed in the first place.

[-Sara-]

I think how it's build and crewed is fiction-viewer or tech-database content. The adventure and the sinister reasons why it was needed and earth did fall (while our earth didn't) is the mystery of the story.

[Colonol Dekker]

I'd prefer that.

Maybe, a Jad spin-off too?

[Piemanlives]

When it comes down to it I think that if something like this were to be made we would at least need some frame of reference to set it up, for example the last like few missions of FS1 however the last mission ending in failure, afterwards we would cut to the GTA forces in the system trying to hold off the Shivan forces just long enough for the Sanctuary to be refurbished, crewed, and sent off. the battle of Earth would be somewhere somewhat early to early mid in the campaign, the Sanctuary is sent off, trying to find a place were they can hide for years on end while maybe even possibly picking up scattered fighters along the way (Of course most of these would end up in the kit bashed craft they used during AOA) these may seem like sub-par ideas but that is all I got.

[Colonol Dekker]

I think the refurb should be a bit earlier than after Lucy gets through.
Any leadership taking example from Vasuda Prime gettling glassed worth their salt would've got a mass exodus plan in morion as soon as it got hit. Better to have and not need rather than the other way around...