[SaltyWaffles]

(Forgive the bizarre abbreviation of spoilers in the title; ran out of room).

Basically, there was at least one table in WiHR1 that pretty much gave away the fate of the Carthage--it was a script regarding Apoc torpedoes veering away from the target and self-destructing...when the Carthage surrenders. Whelp, I found that rather ironic all those months ago, and I knew it wasn't some remnant of Delenda Est given that there were references to Narayana torpedoes as well, on top of (IIRC) a mention/hint of a Solaris-class destroyer.

On a related note, I was quite wrong about what the Supernova#atmospheric and DropPodEffect table entries would be for...though I'm quite glad I am, as I thought it was going to be Mars getting meson-bombed in-atmosphere with drop pods landing in Martian cities, ODST-style. Good thing it was just a gas refinery in Jupiter...so far.

Oh, and I finally find out that the Vindicator is the Custos-X, and that the Arquebus is meant to be the main gun for it. Two mysteries solved in one swoop. Then the first in-game use of capship flares, I think, in that same mission.

That said, did the Carthage really have four million HP in Her Finest Hour? It didn't really seem like it...but it's quite possible she was taking artillery fire the whole time and I was too distracted to really notice.

[Crybertrance]

Which script are you talking about? I have a copy of the old WiH...I'd like to see for myself! 

[The E]

bp2-trigger-sct.tbm.

Which, pardon me for saying so, gives no hints whatsoever towards the eventual outcome of HFH. I mean, the whole file is this:

Code: [Select]

;;Upon receiving a proper signal via sexp ( (script-eval "wpt.triggered = true" ) ), detonate all missiles of type "Apocalypse#Narayana" or "Apocalypse#Solaris".

#Conditional Hooks

$Application: FS2_Open

$State: GS_STATE_GAME_PLAY

$On State Start:
[
wpt = {}
]

$On Frame:
[
if wpt then
if wpt.triggered then
for i = 1, #mn.Weapons do
if mn.Weapons[i].Class.Name == "Apocalypse#Narayana" or mn.Weapons[i].Class.Name == "Apocalypse#Solaris" then
mn.Weapons[i].LifeLeft = 0.05
end
wpt.triggered = false
end
end
end
]

$On State End:
[

wpt = nil
]

#End

If you think you can see a spoiler for HFH here, I regret to inform you it's only in your mind. Sorry.

Regarding the Carthage's hitpoints: It's a figure that's based on her hitpoints and armor class. Again, IT DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING. It's just mission balancing, nothing else.

As always, Salty, remember that tables do not mean anything.

[General Battuta]

Well I do think it's worth saying that hit points and armor class are based on rules. The Carthage isn't just arbitrarily tough, it has specific, in-universe reasons to be that tough. Even when a warship's armor class changes between appearances (like the Atreus in Darkest Hour vs. other times) it has to do with how many resources it's devoting to defensive systems vs. strategic agility and such.

[aeon48m]

Actually, I checked, and in the older non-Tenebra version of WiH, the whole file is this.

Code: [Select]

;;Upon receiving a proper signal via sexp ( (script-eval "wpt.triggered = true" ) ), detonate all
;;missiles of type "Apocalypse#Narayana" or "Apocalypse#Solaris". Used in bp2-21 to prematurely detonate missiles in flight when the Carthage surrenders.

#Conditional Hooks

$Application: FS2_Open

$State: GS_STATE_GAME_PLAY

$On State Start:
[
wpt = {}
]

$On Frame:
[
if wpt then
if wpt.triggered then
for i = 1, #mn.Weapons do
if mn.Weapons[i].Class.Name == "Apocalypse#Narayana" or mn.Weapons[i].Class.Name == "Apocalypse#Solaris" then
mn.Weapons[i].LifeLeft = 0.05
end
wpt.triggered = false
end
end
end
]

$On State End:
[

wpt = nil
]

#End


[Crybertrance]

Umm...that is pretty spoilery if you ask me...

[The E]

Huh.

* The E slaps self

WHY DID I LEAVE THAT IN

[Luis Dias]

Come on, why oh why is it so surprising to find spoilers within a game's own code?

Ahahah, ok as I understand it it's a spoiler written in WiH 1 about WiH 2, but even still.

[Crybertrance]

Come on, why oh why is it so surprising to find spoilers within a game's own code?

Ahahah, ok as I understand it it's a spoiler written in WiH 1 about WiH 2, but even still.

Cuz' you know, BP's code is basically open source, so there will be sneaky noeses like Salty buried deep in the code!

Anyway, we forgive you E 
Just don't leave stuff like that in more obvious places next time!

[Luis Dias]

It's still silly. If you are sufficiently adept at it Matrix style you can see the entire plot if you check every mission and table file.

It's almost like reading the script of a movie and then complain it haz spoilerzz.

[Phantom Hoover]

What's being discussed is spoilers for HFH in files that were part of the original release of WiH.

[SaltyWaffles]

Well I do think it's worth saying that hit points and armor class are based on rules. The Carthage isn't just arbitrarily tough, it has specific, in-universe reasons to be that tough. Even when a warship's armor class changes between appearances (like the Atreus in Darkest Hour vs. other times) it has to do with how many resources it's devoting to defensive systems vs. strategic agility and such.

Of course, I actually understand that now, in spite of my thick-headedness. I was just asking if this mission was the one you were referencing that time.

----

And yes, the table file I learned from was a lot more detailed than just a mention of an Apocalypse#Solaris--and it might have been from multiple table files, I think.

EDIT: aeon48m nailed it. That was it. Pretty damn specific and hard to mistake.

[Droid803]

I don't see how detonating missiles requires a script at all.
There's an SEXP for it.

I would know. I've used it.

[rubixcube]

Well I do think it's worth saying that hit points and armor class are based on rules. The Carthage isn't just arbitrarily tough, it has specific, in-universe reasons to be that tough. Even when a warship's armor class changes between appearances (like the Atreus in Darkest Hour vs. other times) it has to do with how many resources it's devoting to defensive systems vs. strategic agility and such.

Sorry to divert from the current topic, but the Atreus isn't any tougher in Darkest Hour than in any other appearance, also, how much tougher is the Carthage than a standard Orion class destroyer?

[General Battuta]

Well I do think it's worth saying that hit points and armor class are based on rules. The Carthage isn't just arbitrarily tough, it has specific, in-universe reasons to be that tough. Even when a warship's armor class changes between appearances (like the Atreus in Darkest Hour vs. other times) it has to do with how many resources it's devoting to defensive systems vs. strategic agility and such.

Sorry to divert from the current topic, but the Atreus isn't any tougher in Darkest Hour than in any other appearance, also, how much tougher is the Carthage than a standard Orion class destroyer?

It's significantly tougher in other appearances than it is in Darkest Hour. Of course, I don't think it appears in-mission anywhere else that's available to the public.

[rubixcube]

Does that mean we get to see a superpowered Raynor in action sometime soon? That would be pretty awsome

[Luis Dias]

Forget the tables. Focus on the script of the story. If I would ever build a mod, I'd constantly change the values of the warships' (with absurd numbers) for the sake of the script but also (and mostly) to frak the head of any obsessed voyeur who thinks that "tables" means "something".

[Phantom Hoover]

I think battuta's attitude is not that tables are utterly meaningless but that they only serve as a rough baseline, and there are a lot of plot-based rules for changing them.

[Luis Dias]

I wasn't voicing anyone else but my own view of the matter.