[deathfun]

I disagree that we lack natural defense mechanisms
Adrenaline for example.

(Important one here being #5 regarding the boulder)
http://www.cracked.com/article/114_5-superpowers-you-didnt-know-your-body-was-hiding-from-you/

EDIT: That was in response to

i believe the point was a human without tools is stupid easy prey.  we have no natural defense mechanisms and are comparatively slow and weak.

[karajorma]

I don't think anyone is saying we lack defence mechanisms. What we're lacking is offensive weaponry or any form of natural defence like a shell or poisonous flesh, etc.

[Lorric]

Yes, I was talking about a human without any tools. Just your bare hands, just what nature provided you with.

I'd like to know how this piece of human garbage would have got along if he hadn't had his gun:

http://kenthomas.us/?p=408

I think there's a distinct possibility he'd have lost this mortal struggle to the raccoon. Or how about if he hadn't shot the raccoon twice before it got to him? Not so tough without your weapon, eh?

Oh how I wish the raccoon had won. I was moved by the raccoon's desire to live.

EDIT: I have read that article before, deathfun.

[Ghostavo]

I don't think anyone is saying we lack defence mechanisms. What we're lacking is offensive weaponry or any form of natural defence like a shell or poisonous flesh, etc.

I find the "natural" distinction somewhat arbitrary. Somehow when it's our behavior it's "unnatural" or "artificial" and when it's other animals' behavior it's "natural"...

Are we also going to complain about the Hermit Crab's lack of "natural" shell for instance?

[Luis Dias]

Every animal species has their own arsenal of strategies and tools. We have legion of those. That's why we transcend the animal kingdom in such a fundamental manner, and why we feel it is so natural to describe what we do as being artificial instead of natural. You are basically saying that if we strip humans from what it makes them so powerful then they are weak. It's an insanely silly tautology.

[karajorma]

Are we also going to complain about the Hermit Crab's lack of "natural" shell for instance?

I think it's perfectly acceptable to say that unless it's found a shell to hide in that a hermit crab is very vulnerable.

Like a hermit crab, if left without the tools we use for offence and protection, a human will rapidly attempt to get new ones. You don't see a shark doing that.

[Ghostavo]

Are we also going to complain about the Hermit Crab's lack of "natural" shell for instance?

I think it's perfectly acceptable to say that unless it's found a shell to hide in that a hermit crab is very vulnerable.

Like a hermit crab, if left without the tools we use for offence and protection, a human will rapidly attempt to get new ones. You don't see a shark doing that.

But like Luis Dias was saying, that's a silly way of putting things. It's like saying without water, sharks are vulnerable to predation!

[Mongoose]

Like a hermit crab, if left without the tools we use for offence and protection, a human will rapidly attempt to get new ones. You don't see a shark doing that.

Thank God. 

[deathfun]

I don't think anyone is saying we lack defence mechanisms. What we're lacking is offensive weaponry or any form of natural defence like a shell or poisonous flesh, etc.

i believe the point was a human without tools is stupid easy prey.  we have no natural defense mechanisms and are comparatively slow and weak.

I was just responding to what Klaus said, I just forgot to "Insert Quote"
My apologies for the ensuing confusion



EDIT: It's natural for us to grab something nearby to defend ourselves with, whether it be manmade or from nature. That's instinct, that's natural. It simply becomes an extension of ourselves when we pick it up

just what nature provided you with.

In response to that^ (Lorric quote)

EDIT: Man I'm all over the place today

[karajorma]

But like Luis Dias was saying, that's a silly way of putting things. It's like saying without water, sharks are vulnerable to predation!

And I said something similar even before him.

While I'll agree with you that without tools and alone a human is very easy prey, the simple fact is that humans were rarely alone and without tools.

Quite frankly I don't even understand why this discussion has dragged on this far, it's a pretty simple point. Without access to tools humans are rather vulnerable to predators. Similarly it's pretty obvious that humans are very rarely in a position where they don't have access to tools. What's left to debate?

[Luis Dias]

EVERYTHING! WE WILL DEBATE! WE WILL BE UNREASONABLY CONFRONTATIVE AND VIOLENTLY AGREEING WITH ONE ANOTHER WHILE PRETENDING TO BE IN THE MOST IMPORTANT DISCUSSION OF OUR LIVES!

CAN YOU FEEL THE FORCE SURROUNDING YOU? MAKE IT SO, HARRY POTTER!

[Nuke]

the line between predator and prey is kinda fuzzy, sometimes the wolf eats the man. what ultimately made us beast of prey is the ability to turn any resource in the environment into a weapon. but occasionally that fuzzy line still gets us, even to this day.

[Scourge of Ages]

Yes, I was talking about a human without any tools. Just your bare hands, just what nature provided you with.

I'd like to know how this piece of human garbage would have got along if he hadn't had his gun:

http://kenthomas.us/?p=408

Lol, he had a gun and STILL took that long to even drive off the 'coon. A real man just uses his fists, or a knife if he's a pansy or fighting something BIG. For bonus points, he'll just BEAT THEM WITH THEIR OWN KIND.

[yuezhi]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21324523

well now there's an easy solution: give it to the french.

[Al-Rik]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21324523

well now there's an easy solution: give it to the french.

Or use a powerful merchandise to sell it to kids:
http://todamax.kicks-ass.net/2013/my-lidl-pony/

[yuezhi]

i don't know, these days ponies you hear about are human enough

[BritishShivans]

don't start that crap here man

it will bring only pain

[Wobble73]

i don't know, these days ponies you hear about are human enough

Too right, anyone seen Dance pony Dance! The advert by the Three network here in the UK!

[Luis Dias]

Why is this thread still alive?

Oh darn, shouldn't have cliced the post butt...

[Nuke]

because im too lazy to lock it