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Re: How is the UEF going to win?
Our powers combined we are admiral steele?

 

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Re: How is the UEF going to win?
Captain Laporte, She's our hero. (so on and so forth).

But as in the end of WiH 1. Should we be overjoyed or very very afraid of her?.
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Re: How is the UEF going to win?
Captain Laporte, She's our hero. (so on and so forth).

But as in the end of WiH 1. Should we be overjoyed or very very afraid of her?.
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Re: How is the UEF going to win?
Just type 'Power Overwhelming' and i guess the game plays itself.

 

Offline An4ximandros

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Re: How is the UEF going to win?
 Funnily enough... Laporte is becoming a sort of singularity. It's like she just absorbs the characteristics of the people around her, making her seem almost infinitely mutable and adaptable... :nervous: :warp:

 

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Re: How is the UEF going to win?
Not all the characters - just the ones she criticizes / wants to kill.

 

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Re: How is the UEF going to win?
The UEF can't win a conventional conflict, and doesn't need to.  I said it in the chivalry thread, but the way a lesser invaded power defeats a superpower is not through conventional force of arms, but by making even minute losses politically and socially unacceptable to their enemy.  It works in any scenario where the sides are lopsided.  It's why the US abandoned Vietnam, it's why the Russians abandoned Afghanistan, it's why the US will withdraw from Iraq, and its why NATO is withdrawing from Afghanistan.  Populations are not willing to accept individual losses in limited warfare.  They can accept larger losses in limited war, or individual losses in total war, but the converse is not true.  By way of example, what is putting NATO out of Afghanistan is a civilian/political belief in their home nations that the losses are unacceptable based on the nature of the conflict.  Despite the relatively few NATO casualties, our populations are unwilling to accept those individual stories of loss in this scenario.

In the context of BP, Laporte and her allies are trying to avert catastrophe on a much larger scale than the GTVA-UEF war.  To end that relatively minor conflict, all she needs to do is make the military option no longer acceptable to the GTVA.  She doesn't need to - and it would be counterproductive if she did - destroy large numbers of their forces or win an outright military victory.  In fact, all she really needs to do in this conflict is severely discredit the idea of war between the GTVA and the UEF, which is physically embodied in Admiral Steele.  Kill, capture, or discredit Steele and the war itself is over, particularly because of Khonsu's beliefs.  Steele IS the war for the GTVA.  His loss (death, capture, or discrediting) would be unacceptable to the social and political actors that are supporting the war back home and end the conflict immediately.  The GTVA is not willing to commit to a total war scenario, despite how this may look.
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Re: How is the UEF going to win?
I guess if all goes bad, whatever secret weapon the UEF has would be unleashed. My guts tell me something to destroy subspace, or something similarly horrible and irresponsible.
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Re: How is the UEF going to win?
Given that Shambala speaks of a hidden kingdom (in mythology) and a king or god coming to destroy all 'filth' in the world, I am inclined towards it being either a subspace portal, which might make use of the GTC Duke to call in the Vishnans, or a super duper subspace portal that can move the whole solar system. I acknowledge that the latter goes into Star Wars EU levels of stupid considering the tone of Blue Planet's story.

 

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Re: How is the UEF going to win?
Or it could be a forced mass upload into safe strata. 

 

Offline Drogoth

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Re: How is the UEF going to win?
Given that Shambala speaks of a hidden kingdom (in mythology) and a king or god coming to destroy all 'filth' in the world, I am inclined towards it being either a subspace portal, which might make use of the GTC Duke to call in the Vishnans, or a super duper subspace portal that can move the whole solar system. I acknowledge that the latter goes into Star Wars EU levels of stupid considering the tone of Blue Planet's story.

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Re: How is the UEF going to win?
Or it could be a forced mass upload into safe strata.
How the heck do they do that? Shambala melts all the guns or something?

 

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Re: How is the UEF going to win?
Or it could be a forced mass upload into safe strata.
How the heck do they do that? Shambala melts all the guns or something?

Shambhala forces a uplink to most or all of humanity, allowing transmission of everybody's consciousness to Nagari space, thereby escaping the Shivan threat once and for all. Possible upload destination would be the noosphere/panontos. In other words, bypassing Humanity's Nagari firewall. This would also explain any Vishnan opposition to Shambhala.

/rampant speculation

 

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Re: How is the UEF going to win?
and then the whole human race gets gobbled up by the Great Darkness. Way to go.... :shaking:
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Re: How is the UEF going to win?
 That awkward moment when the GD can swallow a Dante or a Preserver...

The Vishnan opposition to Shambala may simply be because as far as they are concerned, the UEF is a failure.

 

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Re: How is the UEF going to win?
Given that Shambala speaks of a hidden kingdom (in mythology) and a king or god coming to destroy all 'filth' in the world, I am inclined towards it being either a subspace portal, which might make use of the GTC Duke to call in the Vishnans, or a super duper subspace portal that can move the whole solar system. I acknowledge that the latter goes into Star Wars EU levels of stupid considering the tone of Blue Planet's story.

it's the ori supergate.  duh.
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Re: How is the UEF going to win?
Well we will sure find out in the coming acts.

 
Re: How is the UEF going to win?
That awkward moment when the GD can swallow a Dante or a Preserver...

The Vishnan opposition to Shambala may simply be because as far as they are concerned, the UEF is a failure.

Since when did the Vishnans oppose Shambala? They might deem the UEF a failure, but it's not like they specifically oppose Shambala. I mean, either Shambala's potential success isn't really a problem for the Vishnans (and they just believed that success to be extremely unlikely for the same reasons they believe the UEF to be a failure now), or if it is, the Vishnans should be directly intervening themselves (and killing ALL THE THINGS) before said success becomes a possibility. Or just using Nagari subversion to torpedo Shambala's chances of success. Since the middle possibility isn't happening and the third possibility doesn't seem to be either, I'm going with the first one.

I still have little idea what the GD actually *is*, let alone how the Shivans and Vishnans are supposed to fight it. The best I can gather is that it's indirect opposition, using their ships and tech to essentially quarantine the GD from spreading further via new (and vulnerable) species that reach a given threshold but do not meet specific criteria that prevents them from registering as an unacceptable threat to the quarantine.
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Re: How is the UEF going to win?
I seriously doubt Shambala is a super-weapon. Ubuntu philosophy by and large forgoes ultimate weapons, so it seems likely they're building something they think will side-step the problem. Throw me in with "it's a mass Nagari upload device" - it'd explain why one of the Elders broke ranks over it, if she didn't actually think it was a good idea or would work. I mean, mass consciousness merging is also effectively death for individuals.

It'd be consistent with Ubuntu being structured after Vishnan principles and they're whole apparent solution to the Great Darkness problem (building fortresses in subspace to try and resist it I guess).

 

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Re: How is the UEF going to win?
Ubuntu philosophy by and large forgoes ultimate weapons
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