[Luis Dias]

Official Thread.

New Trailer is AWSUM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RxZcxkFZZP0

[headdie]

looks promising.

loving "not sure if that qualifies"

edit:

wtf crashing the ent so quickly?

[Nuke]

hopefully they will get the enterprise e before kirk gets fat.

[Legate Damar]

Needs more Cardassians

[headdie]

* headdie considers if a baseball bat or a sledgehammer would be most appropriate to be used on the HLP resident Cardassian's head

[Nuke]

Needs more Cardassians

kirk is really good at whooping lizzard ass

[The E]

I am assuming that this continuity has no Cardassians.

[NGTM-1R]

Despite having recently rewatched the entirety of my favorite Trek, DS9 (we had a field day with doing a shot-by-shot of the Battle of Courscant from Episode 3 and "Descent of Angels", spoiler alert: DS9 was better shot), I have to say I'm really more pumped for Pacific Rim.

I feel as though I've somehow failed.

[General Battuta]

I am assuming that this continuity has no Cardassians.

Sorry but Cardassians were namechecked in the same JJTrek scene as Bud Classic

[Spoon]

Despite having recently rewatched the entirety of my favorite Trek, DS9 (we had a field day with doing a shot-by-shot of the Battle of Courscant from Episode 3 and "Descent of Angels", spoiler alert: DS9 was better shot), I have to say I'm really more pumped for Pacific Rim.

I feel as though I've somehow failed.

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[Trivial Psychic]

... DS9 (... "Descent of Angels", spoiler alert: DS9 was better shot)...

If you're referring to the DS9 episode, I believe you mean "Sacrifice of Angels".

[NGTM-1R]

If you're referring to the DS9 episode, I believe you mean "Sacrifice of Angels".

Probably. I'm terrible at remembering episode names for some reason.

[Nyalatothep]

Well, in the past, I had been pretty strong in my position that I absolutely hated what JJ had made out of Star Trek. I had walked out of his first movie, and when I saw it later I really didn't like it, the product placement, the space-mariney academy - stuff like that.

But in the past few weeks, I took a different approach. While I think TNG has never been reached in quality since then, I also think Star Trek was in steady decline since quite some time, (actually since DS9 IMO, but that is a highly subjective position). At least JJ made an overall enjoyable action flick, and as the movies were always completely different in philosophy and style from the series, maybe the resurrection of the franchise will lead to a new and actually good series, that carries all the humanist thought and awe of exploration that TNG had. Maybe... I hope...

But until then... Yeah, you have all the permission to like it, but I still hate the new movie, and from the trailer, this one will also probably not sit well with me.

*prepares for virtual murder by angry posts* 

[General Battuta]

ds9 trek is best trek tho

[Luis Dias]

@Nyalatothep

That's perfectly fine. I couldn't disagree more with you but I see perfectly where you come from. From my POV, the TNG movies were the ones which utterly failed to bring the very humanistic vision of the series to the screen. They were all horrible movies, and I never understood the "love" First Contact had (to me it's a horrible flick).

JJ movies were at least honest about the "butchering" of the TNG aura, and went on to make a damn good action movie out of it. The pace, the acting were all perfect, and while the plot was filled with holes and there was zero "hard sci fi" material in there, there was hardly ever one in ST tradition anyway. If you place your expectations correctly, you couldn't be disappointed with it.

While I really wished for it, my hopes of someone making a really hard sci fi flick that challenges everything just like 2001 did are next to nil. So I get by with the fanciest ST footages... and hopefully SW as well.

[Nyalatothep]

@Nyalatothep

That's perfectly fine. I couldn't disagree more with you but I see perfectly where you come from. From my POV, the TNG movies were the ones which utterly failed to bring the very humanistic vision of the series to the screen. They were all horrible movies, and I never understood the "love" First Contact had (to me it's a horrible flick).

Oh, don't remind me... The more I think about it, the more I realise I always disliked the movies. At least the ones I witnessed coming out in my own lifetime. So in a way, JJ changed nothing about my opinion there.

I think the idea of that God-damn Borg queen actually made me rage more than the product placement in the new flick. Ants don't have queens to rule them, they just have birthing machines for the hive, and oh God, what the **** do they want to accomplish by giving her a huge raging ladyboner for Data? The borg had already stated that he was completely outdated from their point of view. 

It's always the same **** with writers trying to portray hive minds, some day one of them always falls back to some stupid "overmind" or "queen" bull****, and instead of reminding them of how hiveminds actually work the producers all chant: "Brilliant, with this the completely braindead will totally connect more to our product!" That's insulting towards their audience as well, IMO.

But there I go again, I think I could rant on for hours concerning certain things in Star Trek in general.

EDIT: Just some typos I happened to catch too late

[karajorma]

The borg queen was a complete mistake. Before here the Borg were genuinely scary enemies who viewed the federation as being of little importance, just another collection of races to assimilate.

[headdie]

The queen was a mistake only so far as they made her a distinct individual, the Idea that there was a drone or collective of drones who's function was to lead and direct the borg as an entity but not separate from it could have fleshed them out nicely.

But then the last half of Voyager would have been without an antagonist so mixed feelings.

[Flipside]

Most movie makers are in it for a quick, short-term income, whereas if you look at successful sci-fi, it tends to start out with a small, almost elitist audience, and over the course of years, gains a cult status amongst a much larger audience. This doesn't chime well with the quick-buck mentality, so they are constantly tinkering with perfectly good sci-fi in order to make it 'more accessible', and usually ruining it in the process.

Oddly enough, the audience the Studios demand the screenwriters write for doesn't actually exist, and it tends to alter films in precisely the way that would piss off the actual audience the most.

Edit : For example, the remake/relaunch was a good popcorn movie, but, dear god, the science....

[Grizzly]

Is that benedict Cumberlain or whatever that guy who plays sherlock these days is called as the antagonist?

I am in.