[General Battuta]

Jesus Christ. Somebody fire this *****.

c'mon son

[Apollo]

Jesus Christ. Somebody fire this *****.

c'mon son

What?

EDIT: inb4 "you can't call her a ***** even if she mocks rape victims"

[General Battuta]

I applaud and endorse your reaction to this article's blind and horrifying perpetuation of our ****ed up gender system, but I contest your decision to deploy a gendered slur that is a product of that same system in the course of condemning it.

Pretty sure this thread is going to go to **** now 

[bobbtmann]

What?

The whole issue here is that she's doing what's often done to female victims, except to a male victim. Don't use it as an excuse to reinforce any anti-equality sentiments you may harbour.

That being said, I thought the star was supposed to be progressive. Maybe this is an incident of Poe's Law? It might be a poorly executed and tasteless statement on victim-blaming. If that's the case, then why did she bring in those statistics on the role of gender in sexual assault?

[General Battuta]

Jesus Christ. Somebody fire this *****.

c'mon son

What?

EDIT: inb4 "you can't call her a ***** even if she mocks rape victims"

Ugh, responding to the edit. A ***** is a woman who behaves in a way that I don't even think should be considered derogatory any more. ***** is a word that evolved to keep women in their place.

You can feel totally free to insult this woman for mocking rape victims! You should do it with harsh, harsh words that describe her as a bad person who mocks rape victims. But '*****' is the kind of word that's used to target people for rape and keep them from speaking out afterwards.

Gendered insults are a bad idea when the target's gender is irrelevant to why they're a bad person (which is pretty much always). Gendered insults, whether '*****' or 'beta', are tools to keep people in their place - to help build up the very structures that this reporter mindlessly went along with.

The man who was raped in this article has probably been mocked as 'those women's *****'.

[Flipside]

Agree with Battuta here, let's not meet sexual generalizations, stereotypes and assumptions with yet more of them

[Apollo]

I applaud and endorse your reaction to this article's blind and horrifying perpetuation of our ****ed up gender system, but I contest your decision to deploy a gendered slur that is a product of that same system in the course of condemning it.

Pretty sure this thread is going to go to **** now 

By behaving in such a blatantly misandrist manner she earns similar retaliation. Besides, I used ***** in the sense of "bad person", not any of its other, more sexist meanings.

What?

The whole issue here is that she's doing what's often done to female victims, except to a male victim. Don't use it as an excuse to reinforce any anti-equality sentiments you may harbour.

*facepalm* So, because I use the term "*****" to refer to a woman who mocked a male rape victim, I'm automatically a misogynist? Really nice, man. Really nice.

That being said, I thought the star was supposed to be progressive. Maybe this is an incident of Poe's Law? It might be a poorly executed and tasteless statement on victim-blaming. If that's the case, then why did she bring in those statistics on the role of gender in sexual assault?

We'll see.

[Lorric]

I've got to agree with Apollo, this is the first time in my life I've heard this kind of thing about that word. I think most people just use it to mean "bad woman" in general, with b a s t a r d being the male equivalent. I know there are some who use it an entirely different context, but it seems pretty clear to me that Apollo is not doing that.

I actually thought Battuta was arguing firing her was too harsh at first.

[MP-Ryan]

Quit ****tying up the thread, folks - this is about seriously bad journalism, and the gender of the journalist in question is irrelevant.

[karajorma]

Sure, some of you feel strongly on gender equality issues, but if you decide that anyone who hasn't had their conscience raised about the use of that word is a misogynist, you're the one dragging the thread down. Educate, don't vilify.

[Black Wolf]

I applaud and endorse your reaction to this article's blind and horrifying perpetuation of our ****ed up gender system, but I contest your decision to deploy a gendered slur that is a product of that same system in the course of condemning it.

Pretty sure this thread is going to go to **** now 

And you wonder why more people don't self-identify as feminist.

Way to suck at selling your message, dude.

[Phantom Hoover]

can i just derail this inevitably-awful thread to say that graphical smilies are terrible and just leaving the text unchanged would be vastly better in most cases

[Apollo]

what are you talking about smileys are da best thing ever.

[Phantom Hoover]

they really aren't, :​p does a much better job of expressing the abstract inflection on that sentence than a little picture of a face with a tongue sticking out

there's a reason we stopped using ideograms people

[Flipside]

From misogynism to smiley etiquette in 3 posts...

[Phantom Hoover]

it's misogyny, hth

also i had rather hoped to do it in 1

[Flipside]

Well, if you are hoping to deliberately derail a thread, you're breaking forum rules. Stop it.

[Lorric]

Yes, also, if you do want to have a serious discussion on the topic, opening up a thread with that as the title would yield better results for you too.

[Apollo]

From misogynism to smiley etiquette in 3 posts...

how is it misogynist to call her a *****? That's like saying it's misandrist to call a mean man a dick.

[Phantom Hoover]

well a) the topic of discussion was still misogyny, b) comparisons like that are almost always misleading (analogies are even worse than smilies imo), c) look calling her a ***** doesn't make you a misogynist but you can hopefully understand why it's problematic as a general thing