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Offline zookeeper

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Aaand I also finished what I've for now dubbed TY-wing. It's a specialist ugly armed (only) with two Y-wing ion cannons, used rather exclusively by pirates to effectively disable ships to be captured.


 

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There's no power source in that vehicle.  The TIE fighter's engines are on the pod and it's powered by the Solar Arrays.  The Y-Wing's power is in the central trunk.  So you have there a cockpit and a bunch of engines that can't go anywhere.
We're saying the various TIE power plants are located near the engines in the ball segment and that the wing arrays are radiators that allow the reactor to be run at full power without cooking the ship's more sensitive components.

 

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There's no power source in that vehicle.  The TIE fighter's engines are on the pod and it's powered by the Solar Arrays.  The Y-Wing's power is in the central trunk.  So you have there a cockpit and a bunch of engines that can't go anywhere.
We're saying the various TIE power plants are located near the engines in the ball segment and that the wing arrays are radiators that allow the reactor to be run at full power without cooking the ship's more sensitive components.

Ok well I can't really argue with that since the movies never say one way or another and there seems to be varying ideas about what they're used for in EU sources (some say solar panels, others radiators...others both).  Meh.  I still don't like it :p

Edit: I can't imagine how or why anyone would ever think to themselves, "I just can't get these twin ion engines working right.  I know!  I'll rip off the radiators so I can only run my reactor at a fraction of total power, and instead mount these giant, clunky, and not-in-any-way-designed-to-interface-with-this-craft Y-Wing engines I have lying around!  That'll work great!"
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Aaand I also finished what I've for now dubbed TY-wing. It's a specialist ugly armed (only) with two Y-wing ion cannons, used rather exclusively by pirates to effectively disable ships to be captured.



Zoo, my overall feelings about uglies aside, there's nothing I can complain about this craft from a functional standpoint.  Well done, and nice bit of flavor mounting the ion cannons like that.

 
The funny thing is that when I look at this particular ugly, it reminds me on the Bloodfang from the non-playable demo of Wing Commander II.

http://www.wcnews.com/wcpedia/Bloodfang


But well, accidental similarities happen. :)
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That TY wing looks like they had a more-or-less complete TIE-fighter...
...but they decided to dismantle it and graft its parts onto a Y-wing hull for whatever reason.
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Shield generator?  Increased durability useful for strafing runs?  It did sound like a somewhat purpose-built ugly.  Just grasping at straws though.
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There's no power source in that vehicle.  The TIE fighter's engines are on the pod and it's powered by the Solar Arrays.  The Y-Wing's power is in the central trunk.  So you have there a cockpit and a bunch of engines that can't go anywhere.
If that were the case, it wouldn't keep showing up. Given the lack of detailed schematics, I'd guess the titular Twin Ion Engines of the ball cockpit have been replaced with the Y-Wing's power generator (regardless of whatever fanon Fate of the Galaxy wants to use, the Expanded Universe clearly indicates TIE wings are solar panels).

If anything, the cockpit of the Y-Wing could be removed and replaced by the TIE eyeball.  It'd be dumb, but at least it would work.
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I can't imagine how or why anyone would ever think to themselves, "I just can't get these twin ion engines working right.  I know!  I'll rip off the radiators so I can only run my reactor at a fraction of total power, and instead mount these giant, clunky, and not-in-any-way-designed-to-interface-with-this-craft Y-Wing engines I have lying around!  That'll work great!"
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By far the most common ugly design, the "Die Wing" is also one of the cheapest and worst performing starfighters in the Galaxy.  Sienar's original T.I.E. Fighter was a resounding success, but while its reactor is powerful for its size and easy to maintain, the P-s4 twin ion engines themselves are sensitive, precision tuned units which degrade badly over time if not monitored and cared for by a licensed specialist.  When the TIE/ln began to replace this design in the Imperial Starfleet, many organizations purchased the older models at government auction and soon found that their fighters were steadily becoming slower and slower.  Even with perfect maintenance, the engines of all TIE classes generally need replacement long before any other major system.  This is not a problem for the Empire, but considering that new engines cost more than twice the price of a heavily used fighter on the open market, many small scale operations instead opt for a set of third party engines to extend the life of their investment.

The most popular engine for this and many other radical starfighter modifications are Koensayr R200s.  Due to the relatively meager power output and limited fuel reserves available in the TYE-wing configuration, these engines must be tuned for lower performance than usual, meaning that despite a small overall mass, their speed is unimpressive.  The main advantage of using these engines is that the hot-running reactor (which usually requires the TIE series' characteristic large radiator panels to dissipate heat) can share cooling duties with the massive engine sinks via a simple aftermarket liquid transfer system.  Complaints from pilots regarding the TYE-wing's deficiencies are many and varied, but given the state of the post-Clone Wars military surplus economy, this will remain the most likely end state for a classic TIE frame, at least until a superior fighter comes along and blasts it into space debris.

 
That looks great, swashmebuckle. You make it sound almost reasonable.

 

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I can't imagine how or why anyone would ever think to themselves, "I just can't get these twin ion engines working right.  I know!  I'll rip off the radiators so I can only run my reactor at a fraction of total power, and instead mount these giant, clunky, and not-in-any-way-designed-to-interface-with-this-craft Y-Wing engines I have lying around!  That'll work great!"
We here at FotG have flimsy fluff explanations for all ludicrous EU nonsense! Feast your eyes upon this tech room description I wrote this morning and weep!
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By far the most common ugly design, the "Die Wing" is also one of the cheapest and worst performing starfighters in the Galaxy.  Sienar's original T.I.E. Fighter was a resounding success, but while its reactor is powerful for its size and easy to maintain, the P-s4 twin ion engines themselves are sensitive, precision tuned units which degrade badly over time if not monitored and cared for by a licensed specialist.  When the TIE/ln began to replace this design in the Imperial Starfleet, many organizations purchased the older models at government auction and soon found that their fighters were steadily becoming slower and slower.  Even with perfect maintenance, the engines of all TIE classes generally need replacement long before any other major system.  This is not a problem for the Empire, but considering that new engines cost more than twice the price of a heavily used fighter on the open market, many small scale operations instead opt for a set of third party engines to extend the life of their investment.

The most popular engine for this and many other radical starfighter modifications are Koensayr R200s.  Due to the relatively meager power output and limited fuel reserves available in the TYE-wing configuration, these engines must be tuned for lower performance than usual, meaning that despite a small overall mass, their speed is unimpressive.  The main advantage of using these engines is that the hot-running reactor (which usually requires the TIE series' characteristic large radiator panels to dissipate heat) can share cooling duties with the massive engine sinks via a simple aftermarket liquid transfer system.  Complaints from pilots regarding the TYE-wing's deficiencies are many and varied, but given the state of the post-Clone Wars military surplus economy, this will remain the most likely end state for a classic TIE frame, at least until a superior fighter comes along and blasts it into space debris.

ROFL.  Touché, Swash.  Touché.

 

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I'm like King Midas except my power only works on turds.

 
 
There's no power source in that vehicle.  The TIE fighter's engines are on the pod and it's powered by the solar panels.  The Y-Wing's power is in the central trunk.  So you have there a cockpit and a bunch of engines that can't go anywhere.
We're saying the various TIE power plants are located near the engines in the ball segment and that the wing arrays are radiators that allow the reactor to be run at full power without cooking the ship's more sensitive components.
I think there was no point of arguing..Movie was awesome but plenty of stuff was fake.
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