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Brutal Daytime Murder in the Streets of Woolwich
Today in broad daylight on a street in woolwich, just around the corner from a primary school filled with children, a man was brutally hacked to death in an attack carried out by two men wielding what look to be machetes or meat cleavers.

Here is a link to the story on the BBC website, it has a video clip of a man making a "Political" statement, with blood soaked hands and weilding a large blade.

If you hit it and it bleeds, you can kill it. If you hit it and it doesn't bleed...You are obviously not hitting hard enough.

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I think what I find most disturbing about this is the police response.  Over 20 minutes to be able to respond to a terrorist attack because of cops not having guns to put and end to the cleaver wielding terrorists.  Could you imagien if they had 20 minutes to be tossing pipe bombs around? 
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Out of curiosity are British Police issued tasers or some form of ranged take down in lieu of firearms? 
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Re: Brutal Daytime Murder in the Streets of Woolwich
Out of curiosity are British Police issued tasers or some form of ranged take down in lieu of firearms?

Yes, mace.
If you hit it and it bleeds, you can kill it. If you hit it and it doesn't bleed...You are obviously not hitting hard enough.

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Out of curiosity are British Police issued tasers or some form of ranged take down in lieu of firearms? 

iirc only firearms trained officers can handle taser, regular police can only carry and use batons and CS spray
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Do they maintain regular training in martial arts for hand to hand and melee such as Jujutsu and Eskrima?
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I used to live in Woolwich. I know that area well.
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Do they maintain regular training in martial arts for hand to hand and melee such as Jujutsu and Eskrima?

To be fair, we're not talking about one guy with a switchblade, here.

Still, you'd think they could throw something at them.  ;)

 

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i wish the media would learn the difference between a criminal and a terrorist.
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Hate to say it, but I agree with Nuke, whilst what he did was terrible, hacking a man to death and then making political statements does not a terrorist attack make. I lived 2 doors from a man who was hacked to death by a recently escaped lunatic, we need to get more information and be a bit more careful how we throw the word 'terrorist' around.
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Well, there is a difference between a murder and a terrorist attack. These guys did it for publicity, and for politics. At the very least it's a political murder, which is far closer to terrorism than the escaped lunatic scenario... or most reasons people commit murder, for that matter.
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But then it leads to questions about some school shootings in the US, where the shooter claimed to have semi-political reasons for performing the act (at least to their own minds, though, very often it's hard to find out much details, as US media tends to focus on what the shooter watched, played etc). It may be an act of pure terrorism, but I think calling it that off the bat without a lot more information is jumping the gun, as it were.

 

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People do throw terrorism around a lot these days, but remember that terrorism, like sin, doth lie in the intent. These guys fall into the Anders Brevig category of terrorists: if you're murdering someone - be it with a gun, a machete or a bomb - with the intention of triggering some kind of political or social change by provoking fear in the surviving population, then that's a terrorist action. It's also a pretty broad definition, and catches a lot of things that don't fall into the nebulous public definition of "Real terrorism" (like your aforementioned semi-political school shootings). That said, in this case, based on what we know so far, it does seem to apply - certainly it's a better fit than the Syrian government calling the rebels there terrorists or something like that.

However, I hope and expect that the UK will treat these men as what they are - criminals, to be tried and convicted by the justice system. The people to really watch are your UKIP/BNP/EDL type people. A brutal, public, political crime with a very black, very muslim, very photographed pair of assailants - this feels very much like the exact kind of thing that those kinds of people are always waiting to pounce on.
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Thing is, this sort of behaviour should end up with the EDL being branded a Terrorist group, because it's every bit as motivated by political/religious divides as any other act of Terrorism.

 
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 :wtf: I'm trying not to hate people for their beliefs. But when I hear about such things, it makes my tolerance level very low.

When I saw that ****** carrying knives and having blood on his filthy hands and talking about his motivation... words cannot express my anger (I don't live in the UK but I'm scared about Europe's cultural change)

And I also regret that EDL didn't rush into so called "No go muslim area". it would be much better than fighting the police :/

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F***ing muslins.

 

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I think this is a really, really delicate situation to be honest, at the risk of being accused of being a 'bleeding heart liberal', we need to be careful to separate 'Religious Zealot' from 'Bloody Nutcase', spouting religion whilst acting like a complete madman is kind if like the ultimate definition of Poe's law, where does the Zealot end and the Madman begin?