[Sarafan]

I think this is a really, really delicate situation to be honest, at the risk of being accused of being a 'bleeding heart liberal', we need to be careful to separate 'Religious Zealot' from 'Bloody Nutcase', spouting religion whilst acting like a complete madman is kind if like the ultimate definition of Poe's law, where does the Zealot end and the Madman begin?

To me, if he was a bloody nutcase or zealot he wouldnt have calmy stopped and made his speech, he would have hacked anyone near next. The guy knew what he was doing and he was in complete control of himself. He wasnt crazy.

[Flipside]

There are a great many kinds of crazy that could be involved; narcissism, psychopathic episodes etc. The human brain is one hell of a complicated thing and can break in all kinds of ways in the right conditions, or with the right conditioning.

[Phantom Hoover]

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[The E]

To me, if he was a bloody nutcase or zealot he wouldnt have calmy stopped and made his speech, he would have hacked anyone near next. The guy knew what he was doing and he was in complete control of himself. He wasnt crazy.

If your rational decision path ends at "Grab a bunch of knives and stab a dude in the street", then it isn't rational. Did he know what he was doing? Probably. Was this a premeditated crime? Probably. Does that make this moron sane? No. No it ****ing doesn't.

[Flipside]

F***ing muslins.

And Sarafan, what have you got against cotton fabrics?

Edit : And I'd suggest you come up with a good reason to hate them, because people will want to know why Col. Hornet got told off and you didn't, I know this place well enough to know that.

[NGTM-1R]

There are a great many kinds of crazy that could be involved; narcissism, psychopathic episodes etc. The human brain is one hell of a complicated thing and can break in all kinds of ways in the right conditions, or with the right conditioning.

Perhaps, but perceptually the fact he engaged in semi-rational discourse afterwards is going to sink the chances of an insanity defense going over at trial. More seriously regardless of whether he was crazy or not he stated intent to and acted to strike at the social order as a whole. That moves his crime into a more serious category than stabbing his wife. While all crime is dangerous because it damages the social contract, those that strike directly against it rather than incidentally are handled differently for good reason.

I'm still pretty concerned over the 20 minute response time. If the cops can't move in quicker, neither can the paramedics. 20 minutes is a long time to be lying on the ground trying to hold your intestines in after some guy sliced you open. If our malefactor here was really up on his game and wanted to make an unforgettable statement, the scenario I just described is an effective option.

[Suongadon]

Where are people getting this 20 minutes thing from?


Also: the UK has their very own chapter of the klan. charming. 

(the EDL, obv.)

[Flipside]

There are a great many kinds of crazy that could be involved; narcissism, psychopathic episodes etc. The human brain is one hell of a complicated thing and can break in all kinds of ways in the right conditions, or with the right conditioning.

Perhaps, but perceptually the fact he engaged in semi-rational discourse afterwards is going to sink the chances of an insanity defense going over at trial. More seriously regardless of whether he was crazy or not he stated intent to and acted to strike at the social order as a whole. That moves his crime into a more serious category than stabbing his wife. While all crime is dangerous because it damages the social contract, those that strike directly against it rather than incidentally are handled differently for good reason.

Oh, I agree, he's insane in the same way that someone like Charles Manson is insane, or Anders Breivik. He's rational and self-aware enough to be treated as a criminal and receive the full weight of law and dangerous enough to require that he never see the outside of a prison again.

[NGTM-1R]

Where are people getting this 20 minutes thing from?

The AP made that claim initially. They don't seem to be now, but it's still kind of scary that it could be taken seriously enough to turn up in the Associated Press.

When I first came to San Diego response time for where I lived on a "shots fired" was eleven minutes. The same study noted that if a gunshot wound is going to kill you, you'll probably be dead in seven minutes or less. Acceptable response time is usually considered five minutes for a suburban or urban area.

[Lorric]

I'm trying not to hate people for their beliefs. But when I hear about such things, it makes my tolerance level very low.

When I saw that ****** carrying knives and having blood on his filthy hands and talking about his motivation... words cannot express my anger (I don't live in the UK but I'm scared about Europe's cultural change)

And I also regret that EDL didn't rush into so called "No go muslim area". it would be much better than fighting the police :/

I stopped to believe in a "religion of peace" tale. I've read and seen too much.

What exactly is wrong with this? I would certainly like his scenario, scum destroying scum. Everyone wins.

[Flipside]

No, everyone loses, because things like that never stay contained and never get smaller. We've already had one bout of riots spreading across the country, I'd rather not have another, far worse set.

[Lorric]

No, everyone loses, because things like that never stay contained and never get smaller. We've already had one bout of riots spreading across the country, I'd rather not have another, far worse set.

Yeah, I suppose. I don't know how it makes him a neo-nazi though.

[Col.Hornet]

Because of insulting entire group of people, not only the criminal. I will agree with E. I won't try to justify my opinion. I will stay as it is. This is my last post in this topic.

[FireSpawn]

Because of insulting entire group of people, not only the criminal. I will agree with E. I won't try to justify my opinion. I will stay as it is. This is my last post in this topic.

Thank you for this show maturity and not causing any more trouble for yourself or us.

And my heart goes out to the man's son. Imagine the damage when he is finally told exactly what happened to his dad...It's almost enough to make you cry.

[Lorric]

Because of insulting entire group of people, not only the criminal. I will agree with E. I won't try to justify my opinion. I will stay as it is. This is my last post in this topic.

Thank you for this show maturity and not causing any more trouble for yourself or us.

And my heart goes out to the man's son. Imagine the damage when he is finally told exactly what happened to his dad...It's almost enough to make you cry.

Yes.

[karajorma]

looks like the EDL have already made an arse of themselves over this clashing with police last night

Man, I used to live on Burrage Road. What is it with my former addresses and racist scumbags? I used to live on Well Hall Road too, about 100m from where Stephen Laurence was killed.

[Sarafan]

F***ing muslins.

And Sarafan, what have you got against cotton fabrics?

Edit : And I'd suggest you come up with a good reason to hate them, because people will want to know why Col. Hornet got told off and you didn't, I know this place well enough to know that.

The guy is a muslim, he commits a barbaric crime for his religion, current news show lots of muslims commiting barbaric crimes worse than this for the same reason. My opinion of them is at a all time low. If any other group carried out similar behavior I would hate them equaly.

Not going to say the religion is evil but they've clearly taken the whole thing to an extreme.

[Phantom Hoover]

who's this 'they' you're talking about then

[The E]

The guy is a muslim, he commits a barbaric crime for his religion, current news show lots of muslims commiting barbaric crimes worse than this for the same reason. My opinion of them is at a all time low. If any other group carried out similar behavior I would hate them equaly.

Not going to say the religion is evil but they've clearly taken the whole thing to an extreme.

Oh my god.

So you're not saing Islam is evil, but it is actually evil?

Please take a moment to reflect on the biases you have taken as fact that came in from the various news reports you have consumed over the past few years. "Muslims" make up a quarter of the worlds population. You're judging them by the behaviour of a couple thousand individuals. If you can't see why that's a bad idea, why embracing such a mindset more or less disqualifies you from being part of this debate, then I suggest you reexamine your stance on this issue.

[Androgeos Exeunt]

There is a very good reason why you occasionally have Muslim leaders reiterating that these extremists do not share the view of the silent majority: because they really don't. If they did, there will be several countries in the world today that simply cannot exist.