[An4ximandros]

Eh? I though fascism was the merging of industry and state (see USA) and communism was all about destroying industry and (centralized) government once there were enough products to distribute among a populace?

 redsniper: Your image is borked.

EDIT: This is oversimplified, by the way.

[redsniper]

Weird, I could see it on my end.

e: Here, let's have Deus Ex's take on it too,  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kihGm4KfY7k#t=35s

[Lorric]

I'd rather be a pig than a fascist.

Judging by the rhetoric of some college-age individuals, the terms are interchangeable.

No, literally.

Fixed that for you.

Now how about a little of this...



 

[redsniper]

1. No you didn't. I just reuploaded the pic and changed the link.

2. Wtf

[Apollo]

Calling free-market capitalism "fascism" might be the worst Godwin* I've ever seen. You cannot compare the two systems. [/size]

It's also completely wrong. Fascism is a type of government, while capitalism is a type of economy. Hitler's Germany was Nazist (it's a different thing than fascism, though rather similar, if more extreme), while still being capitalist. In theory, you're perfectly free to have an authoritarian capitalist regime or a communist democracy. The former did exist, the latter in name only.

I may have made a mistake by reading the OP with the definition of free-market capitalism that I generally hear. I suppose a fascist state could have a fairly laissez-faire economy, although a dictator would likely establish a great degree of economic control.

Nazism shares all of Fascism's horrible far-right ideas, so I think it's entirely fair to put it under the same umbrella, and in fact it often has.

[NGTM-1R]

No, literally.

You only say that because the redhead is giving him the bedroom eyes.

[Lorric]

1. No you didn't. I just reuploaded the pic and changed the link.

2. Wtf

Yes I did.

[Mars]

Doesn't free market capitalism have the potential to take away individual liberties on a similar scale to fascism?

[Turambar]

Doesn't free market capitalism have the potential to take away individual liberties on a similar scale to fascism?

It certainly does, since rich people buying the laws is an inevitable conclusion of free market capitalism

[Mars]

Doesn't free market capitalism have the potential to take away individual liberties on a similar scale to fascism?

It certainly does, since rich people buying the laws is an inevitable conclusion of free market capitalism

Even barring that, though, employee-employer relationships start off asymmetrical.

[Flipside]

Problem is, we automatically tend towards hierarchical structures, that's our nature, we've been claiming we hate it for thousands of years, but we still do it.

Capitalism doesn't work in the same way that every other political of financial structure doesn't work, because no matter what rules we introduce to stop people acting like human beings, they just keep doing it.

The problem is that when breaking the rules works to the overall benefit of those in power, it tends to be ignored, even if that behaviour is ultimately self-destructive in the long term, which is a very human thing to do. What is needed is for the rules that already exist to actually be enforced.

The downside is, it's a knife-edge situation, because of the close links between industry and governance, something that hurts one hurts the other. That leaves the actual people whose money is fueling both groups as a kind of 'third party' from a political/industrial perspective.

[Phantom Hoover]

a) he's proposing a system of government called free market fascism, not calling the free market fascism

b) jesus christ lorric what the ****

[The E]

Fixed that for you.

Now how about a little of this...

 

Please explain the context of this picture, how it relates to the thread, why you posted it, and what kind of point you intended to make. Because going by just the post itself, you were just spamming the thread (or condoning torture and cannibalism).

[Lorric]

Fixed that for you.

Now how about a little of this...

 

Please explain the context of this picture, how it relates to the thread, why you posted it, and what kind of point you intended to make. Because going by just the post itself, you were just spamming the thread (or condoning torture and cannibalism).

I was basically saying if he wants to be a pig-man, don't be surprised if he gets pig roasted.

Now go ask him about his picture if you're going to take this line.

[Phantom Hoover]

So with an almost Lovecraftian drive to uncover forbidden knowledge, I found the deviantart account (warning: contains furries, crossdressers, vore?) where I must assume Lorric found this picture. Seriously, keep your fetishes to yourself rather than plastering them in random discussions and then acting blithely innocent when anyone reacts with disgust.

[Lorric]

So with an almost Lovecraftian drive to uncover forbidden knowledge, I found the deviantart account (warning: contains furries, crossdressers, vore?) where I must assume Lorric found this picture. Seriously, keep your fetishes to yourself rather than plastering them in random discussions and then acting blithely innocent when anyone reacts with disgust.

It is Luca Blight (villain) and Riou (hero) from Suikoden II. I like art from the game, whether official or fanart. The picture is amusing in the context of the characters. That is all. Just found by google image search a while back.

If you want to know where the pig thing comes from, watch this, if you're not bothered by spoilers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhNCbGDE4GI

[Grizzly]

Gentlemen,

You are freaking me out.

[The E]

I was basically saying if he wants to be a pig-man, don't be surprised if he gets pig roasted.

Now go ask him about his picture if you're going to take this line.

No. Wanna know why? Because redsniper's post was harmless and inoffensive and part of a joke. You followed up that joke with another picture which was not that funny and you failed to provide little to no justification for it. Basically, you once again made the mistake of following up a tangent to a thread. You were once more dragging the thread into off-topicness, which is why I asked you to explain what you did, in the hope that I was just missing some context implied in the picture.

EDIT: Lesson being: Don't follow up a tangent unless it's a really substantial tangent that opens up other interesting discussions. And no, "I like Suikoden and when the topic of men and pigs came up, I had to think about that totally awesome scene" does not qualify as either substantial or interesting in this context.

[redsniper]

So, I was referencing the Ghibli movie Porco Rosso, which I was kind of hoping someone else had seen around here so we could feel slightly superior being "in the know" and all that, but nevermind.

It's about this Italian pilot cursed to look like a pig, and is set before World War 2 during the rise of fascism in Italy. "I'd rather be a pig than a fascist" was a line that stuck with me and came to mind given the topic. Given the nature of the OP, I figured it was either a bot, a troll, or both and that this wouldn't be a very serious thread, so I just gave a nod to a good movie that had a bit of relevance.

[BloodEagle]

So, I was referencing the Ghibli movie Porco Rosso, which I was kind of hoping someone else had seen around here so we could feel slightly superior being "in the know" and all that, but nevermind.

I got it.