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Offline Flipside

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One wafer-thin mint for NGC 253?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22874192

Massive black hole goes dormant after big meal, causing some interest in Astronomical/Physical circles :)

 

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Re: One wafer-thin mint for NGC 253?
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Re: One wafer-thin mint for NGC 253?
I find it interesting because it's not as if a Black Hole can actually do anything about its mass, and therefore its gravitational pull, so this must, in some way, be related to a lack of material being consumed for whatever reason. Whether that is something to do with the physics of the hole, or the physics of the area around it, I don't know.

 

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Re: One wafer-thin mint for NGC 253?
That, or something plugged the other end.  :nervous:

  

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Re: One wafer-thin mint for NGC 253?
That, or something plugged the other end.  :nervous:

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Re: One wafer-thin mint for NGC 253?
 Or... someone is using it. :warp::warp::warp: Dun dun dun!

 

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Re: One wafer-thin mint for NGC 253?
That, or something plugged the other end.  :nervous:

Well it made me smile  :)

 

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Re: One wafer-thin mint for NGC 253?
Maybe it is the end of its hibernation cycle and soon it will once more be wandering the Universe... :nervous:

 

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Re: One wafer-thin mint for NGC 253?
Maybe the black hole is actually a giant hermit crab's "shell", and it got sick of stars getting stuck in it's joints, so it closed the hatch, so to speak.  ;7

 

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Re: One wafer-thin mint for NGC 253?
I find it interesting because it's not as if a Black Hole can actually do anything about its mass, and therefore its gravitational pull, so this must, in some way, be related to a lack of material being consumed for whatever reason. Whether that is something to do with the physics of the hole, or the physics of the area around it, I don't know.

There's zero mystery here. The accretion disk has just temporarily worn out of matter to feed the BH. The BH is still spinning like crazy and still with its huge mass and gravity pull. It will "wake up" again in the near or far future.

 

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Re: One wafer-thin mint for NGC 253?
As the article states, there's been no visible drop in star production in the area the Black Hole exists in, I don't think Astronomers would be surprised if a Black Hole in the middle of nowhere had no food, the reason this is reported is because the Black Hole is apparently sitting in the middle of food, but simply not eating it. Now the odds are that, yes, there's limited matter getting into the accretion disk, but what the scientists are wondering at the moment is 'why?'.

 

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Re: One wafer-thin mint for NGC 253?
I suppose it's possible that the black hole has eaten its accretion disc and there just isn't enough matter around to register now (or rather, now 11 million years ago).
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Re: One wafer-thin mint for NGC 253?
the cyclical nature of galactic black holes has been known for some time, afaict this is just the first time a phase change has been witnessed in action
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Re: One wafer-thin mint for NGC 253?
What The_E and Phantom said. That's a mystery without one. It's not as if the BH can suddenly stop sucking **** into itself.

 

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Re: One wafer-thin mint for NGC 253?
Exactly, and I quote myself :

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it's not as if a Black Hole can actually do anything about its mass, and therefore its gravitational pull

There's still a vast amount of confirmation, review and research before it becomes a mystery without one, however. There's no real point to saying 'Oh, we thought it might to this, so there's no point checking whether that is the case or whether there are other factors involved', that's kind of like saying a bike moves because the wheels go round, it's true, but that doesn't mean there might not be more involved that is worth investigating whilst we have the chance.


And that's kind of besides the fact I used the word 'interesting', not mysterious.

 

Offline Luis Dias

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Re: One wafer-thin mint for NGC 253?
Of course. You did question the "physics of the hole", and that kind of talk triggered the BS detector for me. Sorry.

 

Offline watsisname

Re: One wafer-thin mint for NGC 253?
Accretion disks may be variable in luminosity over very short timescales, even hours.  But it is not this decrease in luminosity itself that is interesting, but rather that it is occurring despite being in an apparently material rich environment (due to high star formation rate). 

It is probably the physics of the surroundings, not the hole or accretion disk itself, that is relevant here.  Perhaps (and it's just a guess) the environment is very non-uniform and so the accretion disk is not being fed continuously.
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Re: One wafer-thin mint for NGC 253?
when ever it eats a **** tone of meter is compressed into an extremely small space. this produces a region of space with crazy energy densities, (there is probably a bunch of fusion happening making the situation even more energetic) and the energy near the event horizon is therefore absurdly high. the radiation and ejected mater from this region pushes matter that is further away even further away than it already was. until the mater near the event horizon gets eated, then the above situation stops, then the further away mater starts getting pulled in again.
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Re: One wafer-thin mint for NGC 253?
I'd still prefer to think that aliens did something to a white hole.