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Offline Scotty

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Building a Computer for the First Time
So, since I've recently come into a large (for me) amount of money thanks to training and not being able to spend it, I've decided to upgrade to a proper desktop computer for gaming, and use my current laptop for everything random.

To that end, I've got roughly $600 budgeted to build this machine.  I can go over that, but I wouldn't like to.

Essentially, my questions boil down to: what do I actually need to build a working computer, and what are good items that I can use to do that?  I'm browsing newegg right now, and all that has managed to do is reveal to me how hopelessly out of my depth I am at actually building one of these beasts.

For example, I'm looking at processors, and most of them seem to come with integral graphics chips.  My experience with this laptop's Intel(R) HD graphics has taught me that integrated grahpics are terrible; is this actually true?  Or is it just the Intel **** I've got?

I know some of the basics of what I'll need (or am at least decently sure):

Motherboard
CPU/Processor
Memory
Hard drive
Power source
Cooling fans
Case (assuming I can't get one elsewhere for free)

How important is a good motherboard, versus a budget one?  What kind of power source do I need for this?  How many fans is enough fans?

A few final notes before I unleash this post to the wilds:

If there's anywhere I'm willing to skimp on, it's the hard drive.  I've never even been able to fill 500 GB, much less a full TB, so I'm not worried about getting a huge hard drive.
As the primary (but not only) purpose for this computer is gaming, a good graphics card/GPU is a must.  That said, I have no idea what constitutes "good".
Again, keeping it at $600 or lower is ideal.

 

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Re: Building a Computer for the First Time
Check out the Tom's Hardware System Builder Marathon [strike]mid-range system[/strike] $500 gaming PC.  It's a really good starting point.  They update the suggestions quarterly.
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Re: Building a Computer for the First Time
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 (AMD 760G chipset) - 64 USD
CPU: AMD FX6300 - 120 USD
Memory: Mushkin Enhanced Silverline 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model 996770 - 65 USD
Hard Drive: Western Digital WD Blue WD10EZEX 1TB - 70 USD
Power source: SeaSonic M12II 520 Bronze 520W - 80 USD
Case: Any ATX for ~ 50 USD.
GPU: SAPPHIRE 100356OCL Radeon HD 7790 OC 1GB DDR5 - 140 USD

Total price: 589 USD as per Newegg.

A note on cooling: I have more or less this system, I invested in a case that came with a cooler, and am using the stock cooler for the CPU, which seems to work very well. If you're willing to invest a bit more, the next upgrade would be to replace the GPU with a Radeon 7850.
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Offline KyadCK

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Re: Building a Computer for the First Time
Tossing in my APU-based priceout from IRC.

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Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139018
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139027
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113280
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231460
MB: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128566
HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769
DVD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136259
GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102988

SubTotal 1: $586.92

Promo: EMCXPWM22  $20
Promo: EMCYTZT3634  $10
Promo: EMCXPWM23  $3

SubTotal 2: $553.92

MIR: $10
MIR: $15
MIR: $20

SubTotal 3: $508.92

TAX: ???
Shipping: ???

Total: ???

Other than the 78LMT, I can't see anything wrong with The_E's build, and even that is me being picky about the fact that it was never designed (power or chipset) to handle Piledriver.
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Re: Building a Computer for the First Time
It's an AM3+ board, so it can use the chip (I should know, given that the 78LMT was my backup board while I was waiting for a replacement MSI 970a-G46).

Regarding APUs: I don't know if they're a good investment if you're planning on using a dedicated card anyway.
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Re: Building a Computer for the First Time
It's an AM3+ board, so it can use the chip (I should know, given that the 78LMT was my backup board while I was waiting for a replacement MSI 970a-G46).

Regarding APUs: I don't know if they're a good investment if you're planning on using a dedicated card anyway.

I know it'll work. I also know why it works; becasue AMD uses HyperTransport to talk to the motherboard's Northbridge, and it's been that way for a long time.

That doesn't stop it from being the absolute most bottom of the barrel motherboard in existance that only just barely works due to a loophole motherboard vendors found to make ultra-cheap boards that shouldn't have happened. Besides the fact that 760G was never meant for PD, there's the question of power delivery which was revised with the 900-series motherboards to accommodate the CPU's additional Amperage draw. The old motherboards never got that. They are not, to put it in a builder's terms, "Built to code".

As for the 6670 with the APU, they crossfire. 6670 is the highest level chip that Trinity APUs can do so with.
http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/dual-graphics/Pages/dual-graphics.aspx#3
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Re: Building a Computer for the First Time
Yeah, you can crossfire those two, but then, the 970a-G46 only costs like 15 bucks more (I should have checked that before posting my build, sorry), and I would assume that THAT board meets minimum standards of reliability.

In addition, I have to wonder whether APU + 6670 is equal in performance to FX6300 + 7790/7850.
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Re: Building a Computer for the First Time
Yeah, you can crossfire those two, but then, the 970a-G46 only costs like 15 bucks more (I should have checked that before posting my build, sorry), and I would assume that THAT board meets minimum standards of reliability.

In addition, I have to wonder whether APU + 6670 is equal in performance to FX6300 + 7790/7850.

MSI may have problems, but they are all overclocking related. That won't matter here. Yes the 970a-G46 is good, or at least I don't think it'll die from being a hack job.  :p

7660D + 6670 will not equal a 7790, you are correct. My build put more money into quality of parts than direct performance, but yours will easily out strip it in just about everything.
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