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Offline AtomicClucker

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Athiests erect monument in Florida
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/30/atheists-monument_n_3523762.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

STARKE, Fla. — A group of atheists unveiled a monument to their nonbelief in God on Saturday to sit alongside a granite slab that lists the Ten Commandments in front of the Bradford County courthouse.

As a small group of protesters blasted Christian country music and waved "Honk for Jesus" signs, the atheists celebrated what they believe is the first atheist monument allowed on government property in the United States.

"When you look at this monument, the first thing you will notice is that it has a function. Atheists are about the real and the physical, so we selected to place this monument in the form of a bench," said David Silverman, president of American Atheists.

It also serves another function – a counter to the religious monument that the New Jersey-based group wanted removed. It's a case of if you can't beat `em, join `em.

American Atheists sued to try to have the stone slab with the Ten Commandments taken away from the courthouse lawn in this rural, conservative north Florida town best known for the prison that confines death row inmates. The Community Men's Fellowship erected the monument in what's described as a free speech zone. During mediation on the case, the atheist group was told it could have its own monument, too.

"We're not going to let them do it without a counterpoint," Silverman said. "If we do it without a counterpoint, it's going to appear very strongly that the government actually endorses one religion over another, or – I should say – religion in general over non-religion."

About 200 people attended the unveiling. Most were supportive, though there were protesters, including a group from Florida League of the South that had signs that said "Yankees Go Home."

"We reject outsiders coming to Florida – especially from outside what we refer to as the Bible Belt – and trying to remake us in their own image," said Michael Tubbs, state chairman of the Florida League of the South. "We do feel like it's a stick in the eye to the Christian people of Florida to have these outsiders come down here with their money and their leadership and promote their outside values here."

After a cover was taken off the 1,500-pound granite bench Saturday, people rushed to have their pictures taken on it. The bench has quotes from Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, John Adams and Madalyn Murray O'Hair, the founder of American Atheists. It also has a list of Old Testament punishments for violating the Ten Commandments, including death and stoning.

"Some people think it's an attack simply by us exerting our existence. They put a monument on a public lawn that, if you put it in context, says atheists should be killed," Silverman said. "It is an attack, but it's an attack on Christian privilege, not an attack on Christians themselves, and not so much an attack on Christianity."

At one point someone in a car driving by tossed a toilet seat and a roll of toilet paper at the crowd. Neither struck anyone. At another point, Eric Hovind, 35, of Pensacola jumped atop the peak of the monument and shouted his thanks to the atheists for giving him a platform to declare Jesus is real. Atheists shouted at him, and he stepped down after about a minute. One man yelled that religion is a fairy tale.

"The problem is it's not a fairy tale," Hovind said. "We definitely have freedom of religion, not freedom from religion."

Hovind and Tubbs did say they respect the right of the group to install the monument, even if they disagree with the message behind it.

And the atheists said they expected protesters.

"There always are," said Rick Wingrove, the director of a Washington D.C.-area office of American Atheists. "We protests their events, they protests our events. As long as everybody's cordial and let people speak. This is our day, not theirs. We're fine with them being here."

A call to the group that sponsored the Ten Commandments monument, the Community Men's Fellowship, wasn't returned. But the group gave Facebook updates on the legal battle with the American Atheists and praised the compromise that allowed them to keep their monument.

"We want you all to remember that this issue was won on the basis of this being a free speech issue, so don't be alarmed when the American Atheists want to erect their own sign or monument. It's their right. As for us, we will continue to honor the Lord and that's what matters," the group posted.

While Silverman said he believes religion is wrong and teachings in the Bible are violent, he said he welcomes non-Christian religions to follow the atheists' example and put in their own monuments in free-speech zones.

"I will back them because it will be their right," he said. "This is one of the tricks that Christians have used, because they go up and call it a free-speech zone and then they're unopposed. They get their government legitimization because nobody else calls their bluff and puts something in."

-Huffington Post

Ah, cute, funny, and saturated with irony like a Texas grill drenched in barbecue sauce.

On an intellectual note, the humanist in me died a little more after reading this, but the satirist was cackling with an evil glare in its eye.  After a couple of snafus with the American Athiest movement and seeing thir public stunts, I understand why many intellectuals treat them like Uncle Cletus and his shotgun to ward of the Commies. I think Carl Sagan is probably hitting his head against a cosmic fence post too.
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Offline Luis Dias

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Re: Athiests erect monument in Florida
ATHEISTS!


Also, my only gripe? It's an ugly bench.

 

Offline Aesaar

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It's pretty ugly, but other than that, where's the issue?

 

Offline An4ximandros

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Re: Athiests erect monument in Florida
 That Atheism is a religion now, I guess?
Quote from: Oxford: Religion
A pursuit or interest followed with great devotion; A particular system of faith and worship
Quote from: Oxford: Faith
Complete trust or confidence in someone or something

 

Offline Luis Dias

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Just like baldness is a hairstyle, sure. What the hell, an4. You should know better.

 

Offline Aesaar

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That Atheism is a religion now, I guess?
Quote from: Oxford: Religion
A pursuit or interest followed with great devotion; A particular system of faith and worship
Quote from: Oxford: Faith
Complete trust or confidence in someone or something

Quote from: Oxford: Worship
the feeling or expression of reverence and adoration for a deity
Oops, guess you forgot about that part.

I fail to see how erecting a monument on government property basically to spite the Christian monument on that same property makes atheism a religion, but whatever.

 

Offline swashmebuckle

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They could definitely use some tips from the religious crowd in the iconography department. The Atheist Atom there is looking a little out of date :lol:

 

Offline MP-Ryan

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I understand the point they're trying to make - I really, really do - and a bench is a pretty respectful thing, but the part of me just can't help but think they're not helping.
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Offline Luis Dias

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They could definitely use some tips from the religious crowd in the iconography department. The Atheist Atom there is looking a little out of date :lol:

Do they really have anything to teach? I don't recall anyone dying in a cross for a long time now.

 

Offline Dragon

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Nice. Religions can have their monuments, so why shouldn't atheists have some? Sure, that bench is ugly, but at the time actual art was still being made, atheism wasn't as popular.

 

Offline Al-Rik

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I don't practice any religion ( beside Discordianism ;) ) and I can't understand why those Atheist are against the ten commandments.
What's wrong with rules like "You shall not murder" "You shall not steal" "You shall not break a marriage oath"... ?
Is murdering, stealing and screw around behind your partners back a social acceptable behaviour for those atheists ?

The ten commandments are IMHO the least problematic part in Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

 

Offline Luis Dias

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I'd guess it has to do with the first three commandments, Al Rik. Ever read them?

 

Offline Dragon

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I don't practice any religion ( beside Discordianism ;) ) and I can't understand why those Atheist are against the ten commandments.
It's not about the commandments, it's about a monument related to religion.
Also, if you don't believe in God, you'll be able to easily follow the first 3 commandments (at least, the translation I know). Nowhere do they say you have to believe in God.
1. Thou shall not have any gods before me. - Well, you don't have any gods at all, so check.
2. Thou shall not call my name in vain. - Well, what's the point of calling a name of a nonexistent being? Check.
3. Remember to celebrate the holy days. - That's the most ideologically problematic of the bunch, but unless you're a die-hard atheist, you probably celebrate holidays such as xmas and easter just because of tradition. Besides, who doesn't like a Christmas tree and presents, or Easter Bunny and egg painting/chocolate egg hunt (depending on where you are). So I also follow that one. :)

 

Offline Luis Dias

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Of course they are "easy" to follow. I just shouldn't have to.

 

Offline Aesaar

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The problem with the Ten Commandments is that they're religious laws posted by what should be a secular building.  It doesn't matter if they're easy to follow or not, they have no place there.

 

Offline SypheDMar

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While Silverman said he believes religion is wrong and teachings in the Bible are violent, he said he welcomes non-Christian religions to follow the atheists' example and put in their own monuments in free-speech zones.
I respect them for encouraging this.

 

Offline swashmebuckle

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They could definitely use some tips from the religious crowd in the iconography department. The Atheist Atom there is looking a little out of date :lol:

Do they really have anything to teach? I don't recall anyone dying in a cross for a long time now.
Totally, when it comes to summing up your brand message in a single iconic symbol, the major world religions have it down to a science ;)

This particular atheist logo looks like a reject that the cover artist might have come up with for the original Avengers comic. The silly font, the outdated model of the atom (which seems to have one of its orbitals cut off at the bottom, maybe it's an error?), even the fact that it uses a character from a particular alphabet makes it less universal than the emblem of a global movement should be. Even second-string religious icons like the Jesus fish or the Menorah curb stomp this sorry logo.

****, why isn't the logo itself an image of a bench? That would be awesome.

 

Offline yuezhi

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Alright that's it. We need a monument to Nuke now.
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Offline AtomicClucker

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Nice. Religions can have their monuments, so why shouldn't atheists have some? Sure, that bench is ugly, but at the time actual art was still being made, atheism wasn't as popular.

Because as much of Christian and an Atheist (yes I claim to be one in point of view and rationality, it's complex so don't ask), the monument looks stupid as hell, not too mention that organizations has more in common with high school hijinks with bus billboards then serious discussion and dialogue about religion. Overall I think the movement is made by stupid for stupid. They are really light on dialogue because that involves a dangerous dose of philosophy and philosophers in the dirt, and with Americans, it does make some sense, we are stupid and ignorant at heart XD.
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At one point someone in a car driving by tossed a toilet seat and a roll of toilet paper at the crowd. Neither struck anyone. At another point, Eric Hovind, 35, of Pensacola jumped atop the peak of the monument and shouted his thanks to the atheists for giving him a platform to declare Jesus is real. Atheists shouted at him, and he stepped down after about a minute. One man yelled that religion is a fairy tale.

Eric Hovind, son of Kent Hovind, who is in jail for tax evasion. Remember, "Thou shalt not steal" is optional.